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Old 01-04-2018, 06:46 PM
 
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Tell us again how superior a single payer system is.
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Every hospital in the country has been ordered to cancel all non-urgent surgery until at least February in an unprecedented step by NHS officials.

The instructions on Tuesday night - which will see result in around 50,000 operations being axed - followed claims by senior doctors that patients were being treated in “third world” conditions, as hospital chief executives warned of the worst winter crisis for three decades.

Hospitals are reporting growing chaos, with a spike in winter flu leaving frail patients facing 12-hour waits, and some units running out of corridor space.
NHS hospitals ordered to cancel all routine operations in January as flu spike and bed shortages lead to A&E crisis
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Old 01-04-2018, 06:48 PM
 
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And this is what some idiots in the US want for the US.

Single payer sucks balls.
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Old 01-04-2018, 06:54 PM
 
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How does it suck? They are able to mobilize efforts to address a serious crisis that hasn't been seen in 30 years. This year's flu epidemic is a very bad one.

Furthermore, a primary problem with today's NHS is budget cuts. If you don't fund it, it doesn't work appropriately. It's a bunch of idiots who think single payer is a failure or unneeded despite empirical evidence that shows the exact opposite.
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Old 01-04-2018, 06:54 PM
 
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And this is what some idiots in the US want for the US.

Single payer sucks balls.
Not for the elite, they can pay to go elsewhere. It’s the middle class that always gets screwed under such government schemes.
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Old 01-04-2018, 06:56 PM
 
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How does it suck? They are able to mobilize efforts to address a serious crisis that hasn't been seen in 30 years. This year's flu epidemic is a very bad one.

Furthermore, a primary problem with today's NHS is budget cuts. If you don't fund it, it doesn't work appropriately. It's a bunch of idiots who think single payer is a failure or unneeded despite empirical evidence that shows the exact opposite.
Yet here is evidence it doesnt work.
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Old 01-04-2018, 06:56 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Non essential surgeries have been postponed due to an epidemic. That can happen anywhere. It has nothing to do with single payer. You are being intellectually dishonest, Frank.

And besides, how would our market based system handle this situation? Oh yeah...the people who can't afford medical care wouldn't be in the hospital anyway so there would be no shortage of beds. Those people would be at home dying, just like the Republicans would like them to do.
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Old 01-04-2018, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Yes, I read about the flu, which originated from Australia has their health care system backed up beyond capacity. Lets hope it does not get worse, or spread here.
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Old 01-04-2018, 06:58 PM
 
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Non essential surgeries have been postponed due to an epidemic. That can happen anywhere. It has nothing to do with single payer. You are being intellectually dishonest, Frank.

And besides, how would our market based system handle this situation? Oh yeah...the people who can't afford medical care wouldn't be in the hospital anyway so there would be no shortage of beds. Those people would be at home dying, just like the Republicans would like them to do.
what does non-essential mean and who determines the meaning? I dont want my health care to determined by the whims of bureaucrats.
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Old 01-04-2018, 06:58 PM
 
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This thread is a fine example of how the right-wing wins elections. They take a story and distort it beyond all proportion.

The title of this thread is totally misleading and is meant to deceive.

Anyone who took the time to read the story would fine that Britain is undergoing a flu crisis that is overwhelming the system. To cope with this situation 50,000 noncritical surgeries were being postponed. The third world conditions were the result of the flu crisis and was obviously hyperbole.

It could happen in this country as well if we had such a crisis. The only difference is that we would have people dying on the street.
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Old 01-04-2018, 06:59 PM
 
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Yes, I read about the flu, which originated from Australia has their health care system backed up beyond capacity. Lets hope it does not get worse, or spread here.
Reps on the way for purposely missing the point
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