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Old 01-13-2018, 04:56 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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It is not only slaying of "unarmed" blacks that are atrocities; the endless gang wars, stray bullets that kill children and behavior that is frankly savage is also worthy of condemnation. There are examples such as the gang of 50 blacks that beat up a man breaking up a fight on this truck.

This article (link) relates to a gentleman who tried to break up a fight of two girls on his pickup truck. At that point he was set upon by 50 teens. Before I saw the pictures below I assumed the attack was by members of a synagogue youth group or of an accounting or law association. Or Young Republicans.

Guess I was wrong. Maybe they were avenging the apparent racism of someone trying to prevent them from sorting out a neighborhood dispute.

Link to related article and excerpts:

Horror injuries of Baltimore man, 61, after near fatal attack by pack of FIFTY teens, including girls, when he tried to break up a fight
  • Richard Fletcher brutally beaten by teens after asking girls to stop fighting
  • Fletcher suffered broken eye sockets, nose and ribs and had brain bleed
  • Out of hospital but his medical bills might be between $200,000-$400,000
  • Antoine Lawson charged with attempted murder and girl, 15, charged with assault
  • Police are still hoping to arrest the other teens involved in the beating

A 17-year-old boy has been charged as an adult for his role in beating a 61-year-old alongside a group of approximately 50 other teens in Baltimore, Maryland, on April 22.
But to my mind, even worse, are the constant killings and criminality that prevents black people from escaping these conditions. It is racist to focus only on interracial killings since those are quite rare.

More recently, there was a fatal altercation in New Rochelle among two 16 year olds (link), apparently over a guy. Though one of the parties to this altercation is dead and the other won't speak to protect her legal rights, the publicly known facts are simple:

  1. On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 during school hours a large group of high school students, mostly age 16, was on a strip of North Avenue (a nearby retail-dominated street) during school hours;
  2. A dispute of some importance broke out between two of them, 16-year-old Z'inah Brown and Valeree Schwab, two females;
  3. Ms. Brown was accompanied by a group of male friends;
  4. Ms. Brown stabbed Ms. Schwab to death; and
  5. Ms. Brown was arrested yesterday, January11, 2018
The episode raises a whole host of questions, but I 'm going to confine myself to a few:
  1. What were the students doing out of school during school hours?
  2. Even if not scheduled for classes why were they not in the library or study halls doing homework or catching up?
  3. Are education budgets being wisely spent on children who don't want to learn; and
  4. Who is supervising and raising these children?
There were no guns involved, so the proliferation of guns cannot be used as a tangent to deflect from serious and profound problems.

And if black lives matter, where are the leaders? Where is Al Sharpton or Jessie Jackson?

And seriously, where is the concern even for the murderers in New Rochelle or the attackers in Baltimore? Do they have a future? Do the demagogues care?

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Old 01-13-2018, 04:58 PM
 
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BLM only gets involved when a cop shots a black man.
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Old 01-13-2018, 05:12 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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BLM only gets involved when a cop shots a black man.
16-year-old MPS student arrested after punching teacher several times in the head

See the video. Why has the culture grown to the extent that people really believe they can beat a teacher to a pulp with impunity? Is this what people want for the police too; for the streets to become the Wild West, but with no Wyatt Earp?

It's racist to assume that all black lives don't matter. Indeed, all lives matter.
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Old 01-14-2018, 12:35 AM
 
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It's hard to tell others that black lives matter, when they watch how we treat ourselves... and they watch the actions of many show that they don't respect life at all - as spelled out in the OP.

Black Lives Matter, the group, has its roots in socialism and political activism and uses race as a tool for leverage. They are not really about black lives.

But "black lives matter" as a statement of principle - to care about black life, you have to care about life in general for everyone.

The OP is on the money.
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Old 01-14-2018, 02:07 AM
 
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Black lives will never fully matter until they learn to own their problems. Cops kill a statistically insignificant amount of their number, and it almost always involves resisiting arrest or some other criminality.

Nor are slavery and Jim Crow excuses. I did not grow up in those eras...I saw affirmative action.

The idea of prohibitive racism is dead in an era of a black president, affirmative action, diversity and inclusion training at every fortune 500 company, and certain minorites who do better than whites.

Black problems come from black criminality, black illegitimacy, blacks dropping out of school, black drug use, black violence, and black cultural failure.

Let's really make black lives matter in this country by stating the obvious-they have to own their pathologies, and until they do they will always be in last place as a people.

This is a tough love message.
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Old 01-14-2018, 02:39 AM
 
Location: The 719
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It is not only slaying of "unarmed" blacks that are atrocities; the endless gang wars, stray bullets that kill children and behavior that is frankly savage is also worthy of condemnation. There are examples such as the gang of 50 blacks that beat up a man breaking up a fight on this truck.

This article (link) relates to a gentleman who tried to break up a fight of two girls on his pickup truck. At that point he was set upon by 50 teens. Before I saw the pictures below I assumed the attack was by members of a synagogue youth group or of an accounting or law association. Or Young Republicans.

Guess I was wrong. Maybe they were avenging the apparent racism of someone trying to prevent them from sorting out a neighborhood dispute.

Link to related article and excerpts:

Horror injuries of Baltimore man, 61, after near fatal attack by pack of FIFTY teens, including girls, when he tried to break up a fight
  • Richard Fletcher brutally beaten by teens after asking girls to stop fighting
  • Fletcher suffered broken eye sockets, nose and ribs and had brain bleed
  • Out of hospital but his medical bills might be between $200,000-$400,000
  • Antoine Lawson charged with attempted murder and girl, 15, charged with assault
  • Police are still hoping to arrest the other teens involved in the beating

A 17-year-old boy has been charged as an adult for his role in beating a 61-year-old alongside a group of approximately 50 other teens in Baltimore, Maryland, on April 22.
But to my mind, even worse, are the constant killings and criminality that prevents black people from escaping these conditions. It is racist to focus only on interracial killings since those are quite rare.

More recently, there was a fatal altercation in New Rochelle among two 16 year olds (link), apparently over a guy. Though one of the parties to this altercation is dead and the other won't speak to protect her legal rights, the publicly known facts are simple:

  1. On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 during school hours a large group of high school students, mostly age 16, was on a strip of North Avenue (a nearby retail-dominated street) during school hours;
  2. A dispute of some importance broke out between two of them, 16-year-old Z'inah Brown and Valeree Schwab, two females;
  3. Ms. Brown was accompanied by a group of male friends;
  4. Ms. Brown stabbed Ms. Schwab to death; and
  5. Ms. Brown was arrested yesterday, January11, 2018
The episode raises a whole host of questions, but I 'm going to confine myself to a few:
  1. What were the students doing out of school during school hours?
  2. Even if not scheduled for classes why were they not in the library or study halls doing homework or catching up?
  3. Are education budgets being wisely spent on children who don't want to learn; and
  4. Who is supervising and raising these children?
There were no guns involved, so the proliferation of guns cannot be used as a tangent to deflect from serious and profound problems.

And if black lives matter, where are the leaders? Where is Al Sharpton or Jessie Jackson?

And seriously, where is the concern even for the murderers in New Rochelle or the attackers in Baltimore? Do they have a future? Do the demagogues care?
Black Lies Murder™ is a product of the Democratic Party, conning minorities and poor immigrants out of their votes to in turn receive a few crumbs disguised as entitlements which work to keep poor folks resorting to the Drug Trade "industry" just to make ends meet.

Many successful minorities and immigrants have found they cannot afford to be liberal nor can they expect to send their children to be educated in those badly run and underfunded urban schools.

Yes, Black lives should matter, but they are not the only minority on the planet either. They are unique, just like everybody else.
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Old 01-14-2018, 04:06 AM
 
Location: Somewhere below Mason/Dixon
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The whole BLM movement has done more to damage race relations than any event in the last 50 years. Americans have seen these “victims “ of police shootings all turn out to be long term criminals, the resulting protests and riots have highlighted the violent and criminal nature of the neighborhoods where these things happen. Reading stories like the one the OP linked too only makes it worse. Truth is that BLM is held in utter contempt by most everyone but far left types. When Obama was elected most Americans, even those who opposed his left leaning politics hoped a black president would symbolize the end of any significant racial strife in this nation. Obviously that was naive thinking and now tensions have ramped up to levels not seen in decades.
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Old 01-14-2018, 04:49 AM
 
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Originally Posted by jbgusa View Post
It is not only slaying of "unarmed" blacks that are atrocities; the endless gang wars, stray bullets that kill children and behavior that is frankly savage is also worthy of condemnation. There are examples such as the gang of 50 blacks that beat up a man breaking up a fight on this truck.

This article (link) relates to a gentleman who tried to break up a fight of two girls on his pickup truck. At that point he was set upon by 50 teens. Before I saw the pictures below I assumed the attack was by members of a synagogue youth group or of an accounting or law association. Or Young Republicans.

Guess I was wrong. Maybe they were avenging the apparent racism of someone trying to prevent them from sorting out a neighborhood dispute.

Link to related article and excerpts:

Horror injuries of Baltimore man, 61, after near fatal attack by pack of FIFTY teens, including girls, when he tried to break up a fight
  • Richard Fletcher brutally beaten by teens after asking girls to stop fighting
  • Fletcher suffered broken eye sockets, nose and ribs and had brain bleed
  • Out of hospital but his medical bills might be between $200,000-$400,000
  • Antoine Lawson charged with attempted murder and girl, 15, charged with assault
  • Police are still hoping to arrest the other teens involved in the beating

A 17-year-old boy has been charged as an adult for his role in beating a 61-year-old alongside a group of approximately 50 other teens in Baltimore, Maryland, on April 22.
But to my mind, even worse, are the constant killings and criminality that prevents black people from escaping these conditions. It is racist to focus only on interracial killings since those are quite rare.

More recently, there was a fatal altercation in New Rochelle among two 16 year olds (link), apparently over a guy. Though one of the parties to this altercation is dead and the other won't speak to protect her legal rights, the publicly known facts are simple:

  1. On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 during school hours a large group of high school students, mostly age 16, was on a strip of North Avenue (a nearby retail-dominated street) during school hours;
  2. A dispute of some importance broke out between two of them, 16-year-old Z'inah Brown and Valeree Schwab, two females;
  3. Ms. Brown was accompanied by a group of male friends;
  4. Ms. Brown stabbed Ms. Schwab to death; and
  5. Ms. Brown was arrested yesterday, January11, 2018
The episode raises a whole host of questions, but I 'm going to confine myself to a few:
  1. What were the students doing out of school during school hours?
  2. Even if not scheduled for classes why were they not in the library or study halls doing homework or catching up?
  3. Are education budgets being wisely spent on children who don't want to learn; and
  4. Who is supervising and raising these children?
There were no guns involved, so the proliferation of guns cannot be used as a tangent to deflect from serious and profound problems.

And if black lives matter, where are the leaders? Where is Al Sharpton or Jessie Jackson?

And seriously, where is the concern even for the murderers in New Rochelle or the attackers in Baltimore? Do they have a future? Do the demagogues care?
All lives matter. End of that argument.
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Old 01-14-2018, 05:27 AM
 
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Binge watch the five seasons of The Wire.
It does an excellent job of showing the underpinnings of how black communities become so dysfunctional from top to bottom. It is about Baltimore's dysfunction, but could be any number of other inner cities.
It takes you through the corrupt politics, the floundering school system, the lack of responsible parenting, how the drug gangs operate and lure young kids in, and the inadequate and dysfunctional law enforcement politics and policies trying to deal with it all.

Obama said this was his all time favorite TV series -- too bad he never took it seriously enough to come up with any helpful solutions.
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Old 01-14-2018, 05:34 AM
 
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The whole BLM movement has done more to damage race relations than any event in the last 50 years. Americans have seen these “victims “ of police shootings all turn out to be long term criminals, the resulting protests and riots have highlighted the violent and criminal nature of the neighborhoods where these things happen. Reading stories like the one the OP linked too only makes it worse. Truth is that BLM is held in utter contempt by most everyone but far left types. When Obama was elected most Americans, even those who opposed his left leaning politics hoped a black president would symbolize the end of any significant racial strife in this nation. Obviously that was naive thinking and now tensions have ramped up to levels not seen in decades.
So Philando Castile was a “long term criminal?”

Alton Sterling was a “long term criminal?”

Oscar Grant was a “long term criminal?”

And so what if tensions are high? Maybe they should be. Who gives a damn about “race relations” anyway? That’s not even important. We don’t have to like each other. What is being demanded is equal protection under the law. Black folks aren’t seeking white folk’s friendship.
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