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Old 01-16-2018, 07:51 AM
 
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Attached is an article by Ron Brownstein that shows the irony of Trump voters being anti-immigrant. They’re predominantly older voters who are expecting to draw Social Security and Medicare. To keep both programs, we need more young taxpayers. Immigrants account for about 88% of population growth. Without a growing base of workers, the safety net social programs will enter a death spin. We already have a tremendous problem with the cost of entitlement programs. Over the long haul, stopping or vastly curtailing immigration makes it worse.



Why Trump voters need the immigrants they want to turn away - CNNPolitics
As a legal immigrant myself, we are against ILLEGAL ALIENS!
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Old 01-16-2018, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Texas
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They only shun the illegals.

They want more scrutiny over the legal ones.

Do you know what shun means?

BTW, I’m not a Trumpster, and I want legal immigration cut by about 99%.
You pretty much are a Trumpster. I know you claim not to be but you’re constantly defending him.

And cutting legal immigration by 99% would be disastrous, especially if we get all the illegals out of the country as well (which I do support).
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Old 01-16-2018, 07:53 AM
 
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Once you figure out the difference between legal immigrants and illegal aliens, try posting again.
The article I posted didn’t mention legal or illegal at all. It just focused on total numbers. As older workers retire we have fewer native born replacement workers to support them through taxes. The more you restrict immigration, through expulsion of illegals or reductions in legal immigration, the more you reduce the number of workers supporting older workers through taxes.
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Old 01-16-2018, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Again, not against IMMIGRANTS. Immigration, by definition is a LEGAL process. We are against ILLEGAL ALIENS. Just one reason being, they can not be vetted, and therefore pose a greater risk.



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Not seeing how illegals working off the books (i.e., paying no taxes whatsoever) and cashing in on every give-away program this nation has to offer solves any problems except the persistent problem of working Americans voting against Democrats.
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Old 01-16-2018, 07:54 AM
 
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My God people, read the article..it's about legal immigration, why do you want to go off the rails talking about illegal immigration? I've mentioned this before and provided data to support it; we don't have a high enough birthrate, we need immigrants. The simple fact is that like it or not most of those immigrants will not be white; they will be people of color from various parts of the world. White western europeans are the least likely people to want to come here.
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Old 01-16-2018, 07:55 AM
 
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The article I posted didn’t mention legal or illegal at all. It just focused on total numbers. As older workers retire we have fewer native born replacement workers to support them through taxes. The more you restrict immigration, through expulsion of illegals or reductions in legal immigration, the more you reduce the number of workers supporting older workers through taxes.
That's just a spit in my face.

Can I lump you with rapists?
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Old 01-16-2018, 07:55 AM
 
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No one is trying to shut down immigration.

Why are people lumping ILLEGAL immigration with immigration ?
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Old 01-16-2018, 07:56 AM
 
Location: Texas
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As a legal immigrant myself, we are against ILLEGAL ALIENS!
Except the article is definitely about legal immigration too. In fact, it’s primarily about legal immigration since legal immigrants are obviously more likely to pay taxes.
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Old 01-16-2018, 07:57 AM
 
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We don't shun immigrants. Just can't afford to take in unlimited numbers of refugees from every third world country we can find. And yes, I understand we need cheap labor to fill jobs lazy Americans don't want, but we get plenty of that from the southern border
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Old 01-16-2018, 07:57 AM
 
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My God people, read the article..it's about legal immigration, why do you want to go off the rails talking about illegal immigration? I've mentioned this before and provided data to support it; we don't have a high enough birthrate, we need immigrants. The simple fact is that like it or not most of those immigrants will not be white; they will be people of color from various parts of the world. White western europeans are the least likely people to want to come here.
Again, as a legal immigrant and a person of color (whatever that means), we aren't against legal immigration and we don't care the skin color.
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