California's Homeless Problem Caught On Tape! (Anaheim) (minimum wage, drugs, weapons)

[Matadora]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Thanks for the link. Did you read the entire content? I ask because the section you quoted is but one part of the article ... which article overall supports the extraordinary success of the program. I encourage anyone to read the statistical outcomes in the linked piece. Absolutely. For example, I'll quote (from your link)

Yes I did...however I am a skeptical scientist. I always look at the criticisms and or limitations of any study or proposal. That's a very important perspective to consider when looking at projects/studies/proposals etc.

If you only look at the pros and and no cons...you only get 100% biased results.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by Finper

So what your solution??? Sometimes there isn't a solution and this is one of those instances.

The belief that "sometimes there isn't a solution" contributes to the reason that the homeless problem continues to get worse.

I've already posted some of this on other threads, but here's a repeat:

Intervene with parents of teens who are homeless. Youth homelessness in L.A. County was up 60% from 2016 to 2017.

Track the $ approved by Prop HHH, that was approved by Los Angeles voters in November 2016, that's supposed to provide $1.2 billion in bond proceeds over a decade to build permanent housing. Is that money actually being used for that purpose?

Get people to get involved in how the money will be spent for Measure H, which county voters approved in March 2017, that's to provide an estimated $3.5 billion over 10 years for rent subsidies and services. http://homeless.lacounty.gov/measure-h/

Hire people to work as consultants like Steve Lopez, who wrote The Soloist and has first hand experience with homeless people who rail against living in shelters and subsidized housing in L.A.

Hire more social workers to go out on the streets after 6 at night and before 9 a.m. As this particular case manager, Anthony Ruffin, said, "Social service is a 9 to 5 business, but homelessness is a 24-hour business. I like to connect with people early morning or late at night, when there are no distractions … and there’s a moment of clarity." A true L.A. hero: For people dying on L.A. streets, he offers help, and he won't take no for an answer - LA Times

[CA4Now]

Also, view Chicano3000x's clip on the woman interviewed about her homelessness (especially the last 3 minutes). While she does not divulge reasons for her personal situation, it would help to know how she ended up where she is, and what ideas she might have to prevent the descent into homelessness and/or for people to help them going forward.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/los-a...rson-fine.html

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Matadora

Yes I did...however I am a skeptical scientist. I always look at the criticisms and or limitations of any study or proposal. That's a very important perspective to consider when looking at projects/studies/proposals etc.

If you only look at the pros and and no cons...you only get 100% biased results.

Well, just for due process, let's look in a little more depth at the few issues in your quote raised as 'objections/criticisms':

Example 1, failure to address substance abuse ... quoted:

Housing First has been criticized on its failure to address broader service outcomes, namely substance abuse (in one case, it was argued that the only reason substance abuse outcomes were no worse was that the residents were not severely addicted).

Which was followed by:

These criticisms have been rebutted on the grounds that Housing First is a program to end homelessness not to reduce substance abuse, though more recent research indicates it is more effective than traditional approaches in this regard as well..

... which brings the reader to wonder “what exactly is the basis for the criticism?”

Now let's consider the second critique listed:

Criticism on One Size Fit's All.

Ralph DaCosta Nunez, the President and CEO of the Institute for Children, Poverty and Homelessness (ICPH), who is also a Professor at Columbia University, predicted this one-size-fits-all is destined to fail as statistics in New York City prove. Dr. Nunez described the approach as "'public stupidity'" rather than "'public policy'". He also complained that Housing First "is all that’s left after the other poverty fighting programs have been underfunded or eliminated." Nunez advocates for a three tiered approach to addressing homelessness with Housing First as only the first component of that approach.

... and here we read a professor's ridicule of Housing First ... but which ridicule advocates that the program should be the first part of a three-tiered approach. So, Housing First isn't ridiculed at all ... rather the professor supports it, but is complainng that other adjuncts should not be ignored ...


And finally, the last critique cited:

Following Panelák: a failed communist model:

Sharam Kohan, a social policy expert and economist, compared the Housing First model to Panelák of the former communist countries that tried to end homelessness by providing permanent and unconditional public housing. Dr. Kohan criticized Housing First model for following Panelák's failed philosophy and approaches. Dr. Kohan points to a growing number of reports from communities that have implemented Housing First programs which are "credited with creating slums and slumlord."

... in which we read a "social policy expert” compares Housing First to a communist country approach that created slums and slumlords. Which criticism is quite baffling since it doesn't compare to the circumstances or managements of Housing First programs as demonstrated in our society whatsoever.

In the end, with regard to your skeptical survey as cited, there don't seem to be any identifiable failures at all.

But, as you say, always worth a look. So thanks for the example, which ultimately supports Housing First.

[Finper]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

The belief that "sometimes there isn't a solution" contributes to the reason that the homeless problem continues to get worse.

I've already posted some of this on other threads, but here's a repeat:

Intervene with parents of teens who are homeless. Youth homelessness in L.A. County was up 60% from 2016 to 2017.

Track the $ approved by Prop HHH, that was approved by Los Angeles voters in November 2016, that's supposed to provide $1.2 billion in bond proceeds over a decade to build permanent housing. Is that money actually being used for that purpose?

Get people to get involved in how the money will be spent for Measure H, which county voters approved in March 2017, that's to provide an estimated $3.5 billion over 10 years for rent subsidies and services. Putting Measure H to Work | Homeless Initiative

Hire people to work as consultants like Steve Lopez, who wrote The Soloist and has first hand experience with homeless people who rail against living in shelters and subsidized housing in L.A.

Hire more social workers to go out on the streets after 6 at night and before 9 a.m. As this particular case manager, Anthony Ruffin, said, "Social service is a 9 to 5 business, but homelessness is a 24-hour business. I like to connect with people early morning or late at night, when there are no distractions … and there’s a moment of clarity." A true L.A. hero: For people dying on L.A. streets, he offers help, and he won't take no for an answer - LA Times

Good question where is all that HHH and H money??

[movedintime]

To state the obvious;

The problem has been allowed to continue so long that the layers are increasing.

Bureaucracy is a huge part of the issue.


A starting place would be to enforce the laws already in effect or 'End Of Discussion.' If enforcing existing laws is a problem for anyone then it's on them.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by movedintime

To state the obvious;

A starting place would be to enforce the laws already in effect or 'End Of Discussion.' If enforcing existing laws is a problem for anyone then it's on them.

And what are those laws?

They're told to move their tents or they're given a restriction on the amount of their belongings, but then they just move to some other public place, since they have nowhere else to go.

LA’s response to homeless encampments ‘isn’t working,’ councilman says:
https://www.dailynews.com/2017/08/23...uncilman-says/

[movedintime]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

And what are those laws?

They're told to move their tents or they're given a restriction on the amount of their belongings, but then they just move to some other public place, since they have nowhere else to go.

LA’s response to homeless encampments ‘isn’t working,’ councilman says:
https://www.dailynews.com/2017/08/23...uncilman-says/

Are you serious ? Do you support them to continue living there ?

[Electrician4you]

Originally Posted by davidt1

There are so many closed businesses and buildings everywhere. I have seen some that sat empty for years. Why not house the homeless in those structures? The government can lease the properties for much less than building new structures to house them.

Do sim3 research on what it takes to make a building habitable for human occupancy. Then do research to see what it takes to transform a building from habitable fir warehouse/office space to housing for humans to occupy as a residence.
You’ll pull your hair out

[Electrician4you]

Originally Posted by Yoloman

They're
There
Their

My eyes are burning.

You need to stay away from the internet and texting if misspelled words bother you. Get over yourself