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Old 02-05-2018, 09:15 AM
 
Location: PSL
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It's a big deal all right.

If Trump, Nunes Gowdy, and the rest of the Republicans thought FISA warrants were being unfairly used, they have the avenues to pursue that.

Congress has an oversight role and hearings could have been called.

FISA was just renewed by Congress. They could have brought this up during those deliberations.

To use this memo in a public attempt to discredit the FBI and undermine the Russia investigation is wrong no matter how much Don Jr. crows about how Nunes' memo is "a bit of sweet revenge."
It's not a matter of fair... it's a matter of abuse in power... still short sighted and want to make it about partisan BS? Seriously it wouldn't matter if the shoe was on the other foot and this happened to a Democrat! The fact remains, the DOJ and FBI abused their powers in gaining a FISA warrant that should be your concern not your wahhh Republicans! I would be utterly embarrassed and want to disassociate with the Republican party had the tables been turned because someone went rogue and doctored up misleading "evidence"

For someone so worried about Russians hacking the election rigging the election, what say you about a British spy who would stop at nothing to not see someone become president for only their motive, their personal grudge! Wake up stop being so short sighted and petty!

Put yourself in someone else's shoes for a moment and see how much of a case you'd have caring whether or not you were spied on and investigated for without proper procedure just because "opposition research" or a personal grudge and spun and doctored to incriminate you...
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Old 02-05-2018, 09:17 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Not sure Republicans, who are more likely to be Constitutional textualist, have pushed for 1st amendment limiting legislation, Jailed for hate speech and preaching the gospel openly.
Republicans have not pushed on the 2nd Amendment, since the Civil War.
The 4th amendment was destroyed long ago, under J. Edgar Hoover and only the global establishment in both parties want that continued, unconstitutionally.
The 5th is gone. Tell me today, a person accused is innocent until proven guilty. They are not. They are always guilty no matter what, in the eyes of media opinion and you cannot argue with anyone that has more ink than you.


Constitutional order was disrupted long ago.

You seem to be panicked, that a correction is taking place now, to restore order.
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Old 02-05-2018, 09:20 AM
 
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Since Russia is the only reason Hillary lost according to libs on this thread why not run her again in 2020?
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Old 02-05-2018, 09:23 AM
 
Location: DFW
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Democrats are not perfect by any means, but they are not for undermining the rule of law as the Pubs are.
LOL, the Democratic corruption shown the last 9 years since Obama became President is unprecedented.

They have weaponized much of the Govt against its citizens. If we enforced the laws, Obama, Hillary and half the Dem Party would be in prison.
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Old 02-05-2018, 09:50 AM
 
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Republicans only represent the crazy fundamentalist pastors and won't be happy or setting less than imposing strict Bible law as interpreted by fundamentalist Baptists on everyone. I'm so sick of it. A Handmaid's Tale here we come.

Congrats your side has officially become the party of FEAR!
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Old 02-05-2018, 09:51 AM
 
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Republicans are by far the most criminally corrupt party and have been for the last fifty some years.

89 convictions in Republican administrations plus pardoning a Republican president.

1 conviction in Democratic administrations and this was a guy Starr "nailed" for failing to disclose a small fee from a former consulting business.

89 to 1.
How many Presidents have been impeached in 50 years? I'll wait while you find that information.....
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Old 02-05-2018, 09:52 AM
 
Location: DFW
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Congrats your side has officially become the party of FEAR!
Fear, Hysteria and Illegal's. A winning trifecta.
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Old 02-05-2018, 10:01 AM
 
Location: PSL
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Bam. Case closed. Despite the fact that even Devin Nunes's partisan memo on the topic fails to support the narrative, NY_refugee87 knows an unnamed FBI agent (who, incidentally, admits to lacking any personal knowledge as to this particular FISA warrant or even the origins of the "Woods" files he references) whose speculation he cut and pasted. Consider my heart eaten out.
Their speculation is justified, they gave me an example in how to obtain a FISA warrant, and likened the procedure that was used in this case, similar to how they would obtain a FISA warrant on a drug dealer using shaky "evidence/facts" corroborated from a competitive drug dealer against their adversary. Drug dealer A being the DNC/HRC drug dealer B being DJT/and associates.

How it was explained to me, in plain layman's terms, either
1. There's more to it than the Fusion GPS dossier
2. There's supporting evidence that this was politically charged and people had abused their powers to obtain a FISA warrant based on insubstantial illegitimate "evidence" and the powers that be, abused their powers to do so.

There's a lengthy and exacting procedure to obtain a FISA warrant. And it requires much more than hearsay or a bought and paid for dossier based upon "opposition research"

Everyone points the finger at Trump for undermining the FBI and the agent I spoke with is no fan of Trump but can put their politics aside to be an unbiased professional to serve in America's best interests. They even said them self the finger of blame lies directly on all of those who allowed the warrant to be carried out and for their own words of "insurance policy" and "secret society" for undermining the bureau and it's agents. Not Nunes. Which fits the narrative of why democrats wouldn't want it released. Not to make the FBI look bad, but to keep former top dogs from looking bad as well as the party from looking bad. Following said release downplay it like it was cherry picked and just political rhetoric right getting even with left at the expense of the FBI... NO. That's short sighted partisan nonsense.

But the point is lost because DJT is president and he's responsible for undermining the FBI.
Never mind the FBI and certain agents within and those within the DOJ had responsibility in their own demise.

Your outrage lies solely in the fact a Republican brought it to light...
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Old 02-05-2018, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Secure Bunker
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Democrats are not perfect by any means, but they are not for undermining the rule of law as the Pubs are.
Did you just say that with a straight face? No wincing at all?
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Old 02-05-2018, 10:32 AM
 
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Did you just say that with a straight face? No wincing at all?
Last I looked it was not the Democrats but the GOP who were assaulting the FBI and out intelligence units and doing all in their power to obstruct justice on behalf of their leader.
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