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Old 02-05-2018, 08:14 AM
 
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... the lack of interest by the media is stunning.
Why do you say that?

We all know what is being claimed, it is on all the news!

But it is also already well understood by the general public that this is all faux outrage at the FBI as a cover for Trump's criminality. People aren't buying it. Too bad, so sad.
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Old 02-05-2018, 08:16 AM
 
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Democrats are not perfect by any means, but they are not for undermining the rule of law as the Pubs are.
You're watching them do it right now!
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Old 02-05-2018, 08:16 AM
 
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The authors of the Atlantic piece go on to argue that the GOP must be boycotted for the good of the nation.



In addition their logic is as follows:




https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...the-gop/550907

I couldn't agree more.
TDS.

Get therapy quickly before that final descent into madness.
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Old 02-05-2018, 08:16 AM
 
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Democrats are not perfect by any means, but they are not for undermining the rule of law as the Pubs are.
What backwards planet do you hail from?
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Old 02-05-2018, 08:17 AM
 
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The authors are not democrats.
Yes, as a rule anything that comes from the Atlantic is liberal or Neoliberal (imperialist liberal - look at its editors and their histories).

You won't find anything in that publication that is defensible outside of those parameters that has any realistic grounding in modern political definitions. As an entity whose mission it is to push liberal politics, it is no more a journalistic entity than is the Washington Post.

RHINO "conservatives", to include the Neoliberal editors of the Atlantic, can continue to insult the intelligence of the average American by asking them to buy their disingenuous claims that they are conservatives.

However, the real and continuing effect of that demand is that conservatives recognize the dog and pony show, identify it for the institutionalized and insidious political duplicitousness that it represents, and as a result there is a loss of trust and confidence in a fair system that, by its nature, would have easily identifiable actors.

And that's how you get Donald Trump and all those will will come after.

The Atlantic editor's perfectly represent the cuckoo bird (referencing the bird's behavior of taking over another bird's nest with its own eggs) "conservative" class who for decades have hijacked elected positions through saying one thing to the base while serving neoliberal interests.

The Right just permanently ousted their domestic liberal agenda from the party. This is how you get so many supposedly former "Right wing" pundits now shifting to be officially Left wing.

Take Jeffrey Goldberg, head editor of the Atlantic, as a perfect example. This is a man who served in the Israeli Defense Force. He's a prominent Neocon-Neoliberal who always gave lip service to supposed "Right wing" politics while primarily serving to move Neo-liberal foreign policy forward (aggressive Mid East action) while acting as a cuckoo bird gatekeeper against the domestic policy interests of the Right wing base.

His cuckoo bird function on domestic policy just got ousted from the nest.

What did he immediately do?

He moved from the Right to the Left (ostensibly), and proved his apparent defection by coming out of the liberal closet with a wholly intellectually insulting piece in the Atlantic criticizing Benjamin Netenyahu.

It was as big of a disingenuous positioning piece as I have ever seen. An American Neocon political pundit who is so ideologically aligned with Israel that he chose not to serve in the United States Army but in the Israeli Army, is now aligning himself with criticism of Israel after he lost his position as a domestic policy gatekeeper for the Right?

Prepare yourselves to get f*&$#@, Left Wing base.

The so called "conservative" political class represented by the editors and contributors of the Atlantic really do have nothing but contempt for the American people and their intellect, to include that of the Liberal base.

What Jeffrey did was reason the following:

He has two agendas as a Neoliberal: a foreign policy agenda and a domestic agenda.

The foreign policy agenda is effectively advocated for by both parties.

His primary prior position, in spite of his self-positioning as a former conservative, was as a gatekeeper to prevent any significant implementation of the actual domestic policy interests of the Right Wing base.

Thus, no longer having his cuckoo position in the Right wing nest, and his foreign policy being effectively implemented by both parties, he loses nothing (except significant political credibility and trust) by merely formally moving to the Left side of the isle to continue to work his primary job: that of a domestic policy gatekeeper against the interests of the Right Wing base.

But liberals are cuckooed by that same political class. The Leftist base has largely been ineffective at identifying them (see Obama's deification). Though, there is push-back at the far margins. That marginal protest may become more relevant over time.

One of the problems is that the Leftist base fully shares the Neoliberal domestic agenda. That should, but doesn't, cause the Leftist base to question the true long term purpose of its politics. One would think that antifa would wonder why its social politics are largely similar to those of George and Jeb Bush. But curiously it does not. The act of LARPing in edgy black balaclavas apparently tends to curtail critical thought.

The general dependence of the Leftist base on Neoliberal MSM narrative, to move its social politics forward, leaves it beholden to all politics of those outlets. It would never dare criticize those outlets in a manner that would actually be able to hurt them.

When the Left base is able to recognize the ideological inconsistencies at all, in spite of the elation from the large social policy boon that is has received in recent years from those outlets (a "boon" that also curiously led to the election of Donald Trump - be careful how far you allow yourselves to be led - political greed is a killer). These outlets have made themselves central to the Leftist agenda, and thus immune to effective Leftist base oversight of their journalistic ethics, practices, and foreign policy political endorsements.

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Old 02-05-2018, 08:18 AM
 
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It's a big deal all right.

If Trump, Nunes Gowdy, and the rest of the Republicans thought FISA warrants were being unfairly used, they have the avenues to pursue that.

Congress has an oversight role and hearings could have been called.

FISA was just renewed by Congress. They could have brought this up during those deliberations.

To use this memo in a public attempt to discredit the FBI and undermine the Russia investigation is wrong no matter how much Don Jr. crows about how Nunes' memo is "a bit of sweet revenge."
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Old 02-05-2018, 08:21 AM
 
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Why do you say that?

We all know what is being claimed, it is on all the news!

But it is also already well understood by the general public that this is all faux outrage at the FBI as a cover for Trump's criminality. People aren't buying it. Too bad, so sad.
Last night at the SuperBowl gathering, the conversation at half time turned to the memo.

Regardless of political perspective, all agreed that the memo was a **** move.

This was a room filled with a good many people who supported Trump.

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Old 02-05-2018, 08:21 AM
 
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Democrats are not perfect by any means, but they are not for undermining the rule of law as the Pubs are.
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Old 02-05-2018, 08:27 AM
 
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Can one both yawn and LOL at he same time...!?!

The Dems must be getting immensely desperate given that, as in this piece, they are only left with presenting more of the same "strategy" that they have long been implementing and that will only get them more of the same. That is: conservative victories.

Pre-election race hysterics on the part of the Dems got Trump elected. Post election Russian conspiracy hysterics will keep Trump and his ideological successors in office.

By the way, putting on a huge show that is attempting to undermine an election, and that the whole nation is captive to, isn't the behavior of the "constitutional law and order" type party, geniuses. The entire world can see that.
This.

Just going to keep quoting golgi1. Makes it so easy for me to say what I want without all the typing.

Per the highlighted, that is the irony of this entire discussion. The Dems and their supporters, so shocked and appalled that after rigging the Democrat primaries and partially rigging the election itself, their chosen puppet wasn't installed, have been (or trying to) undermining the constitutional order since last November. And now, to continue their undermining, they will loudly proclaim how the GOP undermines the constitutional order!

What the Dems are shrieking about really comes down to this
  1. after two feckless, cowardly knuckleheads named Bush, they got used to pushing the GOP around even when they were the minority party. Media shaming and big donor threats worked, so they retained power no mater how many seats they actually held. And now they (including the RINOs in the House and Senate) have an adversary who is immune to media shame and doesn't need the big donor money.
  2. they imbued the Presidency with near unlimited monarchy power when Obama was the guy, and they figured it would work out for them for 8 more years of Hillary, who was supposed to stomp all over GOP majorities in bot chambers of Congress and a majority of the states. All that newly minted unilateral executive power was supposed to remain property of DNC, Inc. Whoops.
That's it, that's all. The playground bully finally got their comeuppance, and now they are crying to the teacher about it because they felt they had a divine right to our collective milk money. So they have been trying to undermine the constitutional order since the day this colossal screw up happened because damn it, their gal was supposed to take control of their new and improved non-constitutional, imperial presidency order...not Trump.
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Old 02-05-2018, 08:28 AM
 
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Trump is not a career politician in the classic old-school Republican. His history is more along the lines of fiscally savvy Democrat from the 60's.

What Nixon did pales in comparison to Eric Holder, Lois Lerner, the IRS, DOJ and FBI under Obama. At what point will anyone in these groups be held accountable?
Probably never, because the media are the real power in this country. They create reality.

If they say Trump colluded with Russia, it becomes the reality for more than half the country. Every person attacking Trump on this thread or at The Atlantic simply swallowed fake news propaganda uncritically. This Mueller investigation is based on a fantasy, a delusion.

And the piece at The Atlantic is more of the same: two liars pretending that reality is the exact opposite of what it is. It is an inarguable fact that the DOJ and FBI are ignoring the rule of law and attacking Trump, yet the mass media liars pretend it's the other way around. It's fascinating yet horrifying to see this phenomenon in action.

Some of us saw it in the run-up to the invasion of Iraq. Most didn't. Some of us it see it now. Most don't.

The Internet now enables people to disengage from the propasphere, but they still must be awakened first. And that is the hard part.
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