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Old 02-18-2018, 06:51 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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Minnesota Sets Record For Gun Permit Background Checks « WCCO | CBS Minnesota

Clearly something is wrong, they can't possibly have more guns and less crime, right? According to the left guns cause crime and more guns = more crimes.

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Minnesota’s violent crime rate hit a 50-year low in 2016, according to the FBI.

And in 2017, the state set a new record for firearms background checks.
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The State Department of Public Safety reports 283,188 Minnesotans now have permits to legally carry firearms in public
Not only more guns, but more people carrying them in public and violent crime is down??? Another reality that flies in the face of liberal gun control nonsense.

Now why would the gun control advocates want to change what is clearly working and resulting in lower crime rates? Could it be that they don't really care about reducing crime and only want to push their political agenda?
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Old 02-18-2018, 06:53 PM
 
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3rd time this has been posted that I’ve seen.
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Old 02-18-2018, 07:01 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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The article is only 3 days old, it's been posted 3 times and fallen off page 1 that many times? The gun control nuts must be in shock and incapable of responding.
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Old 02-18-2018, 07:16 PM
 
Location: Katy,Texas
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Violent crime has been dropping for Decades worldwide except a few places like Central America. To conflate that with increased gun ownership doesn't mean anything at all, when you can see the same trend in countries that have aged 10 years and fertility rates have decreased by 2 children.

If your argument is violent crime can fall with guns increasingly becoming more prevalent, I agree with you completely. That is also true in many countries as often, guns don't leave countries but they enter countries all the time since more are being created every day. While your argument looks nice it doesn't prove anything since guns are increasing everywhere as populations increase even in countries with strict gun control and crime is still going down, even though the vast majority of citizens haven't even seen a gun let alone have them in countries like U.K, Japan and most of East Asia and Western Europe. The increase in guns has nothing to do with crime rate but everything to do with younger generations being smaller and thus more old people overall.
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Old 02-18-2018, 08:13 PM
 
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1. The authors didn't really offer evidence that more people own guns in MN than ever before. Just that more people have permits and have undergone background checks.

2. Requiring permits and background checks is something that most people would agree on. Your article supplies evidence that these work. So why is the NRA opposed to such measures?
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Old 02-20-2018, 05:40 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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1. The authors didn't really offer evidence that more people own guns in MN than ever before. Just that more people have permits and have undergone background checks.

2. Requiring permits and background checks is something that most people would agree on. Your article supplies evidence that these work. So why is the NRA opposed to such measures?
Do you people work at being ignorant, or just parrot whatever CNN and MSNBC tell you? Yes I'm sure that with record numbers of background checks and concealed weapons permits that there AREN'T more people with guns, that makes perfect sense (to a liberal trying to twist reality to fit their agenda).

https://www.politico.com/story/2015/...-cornyn-121035
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Old 02-20-2018, 05:44 PM
 
Location: Gaston, South Carolina
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I'd like to see studies that show whether or not criminals search gun free zones before deciding where to act criminal. For example, banks have armed security, but banks still get robbed.

I'm glad violent crime is going down. I find that's a pretty obvious thing to say, but sometimes if someone disagrees with you, they'll pick on things that are obvious but not mentioned to throw shade on you.
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Old 02-20-2018, 06:02 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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The article is only 3 days old, it's been posted 3 times and fallen off page 1 that many times? The gun control nuts must be in shock and incapable of responding.
Sorry to disappoint you, but the same story was posted 4 days ago with plenty of replies:
Minnesota; gun ownership up, crime down
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Old 02-20-2018, 06:05 PM
 
Location: Pacific Beach/San Diego
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San Diego had that it's lowest violent crime rate in 49 years in 2016. Guess how few people are carrying concealed guns here? I guess we can jump to the same ill-informed cause and effect you did - - not carrying guns leads to safety!

San Diego crime rate lowest in 49 years - The San Diego Union-Tribune
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Old 02-20-2018, 06:11 PM
 
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1. The authors didn't really offer evidence that more people own guns in MN than ever before. Just that more people have permits and have undergone background checks.

2. Requiring permits and background checks is something that most people would agree on. Your article supplies evidence that these work. So why is the NRA opposed to such measures?
NRA wrote the background check law.
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