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How can a rational discussion of gun control happen when those that are pro firearm are already labeling high school-aged survivors of last weeks attacks as "crisis actors" or "indoctrinated by the Left?
I saw the crisis actor thing pop up on FB yesterday, scrolled past as i usually do when i see nonsense but it was talked about briefly this morning on the news, and now you've brought it up. I might have to look into it.
Rational discussions can not happen when people are still in shock and traumatized.
I'm curious.
When a few individuals of a certain faith decided to fly some airliners into buildings here, we were told we can't condemn an entire religion over the actions of a few.
When a Sanders supporter tried to kill as many Republican politicians as he could while they were playing baseball, we were told we can't condemn all Sanders supporters over the actions of this one guy.
When BLM was spewing hate towards the police and some sympathizers decided to ambush and kill some cops in Dallas. And we were told we can't condemn the BLM movement over the actions of these few induviduals.
When people are getting gunned down in our inner cities across the nation on a nightly bases, there is hardly any mention of guns , it is just written off as thugs doing thug things. Even though many innocent lives get taken.
When ANTIFA caused a riot at a major university we were told don't blame ANTIFA over the actions of these few protesters.
When a mass shooting happens it automatically becomes the guns fault. And every pro firearms person is to blame. I've seen an entire group of law abiding citizens told the blood of those killed is on our hands. And that we put our firearms above the lives of innocent children. And in the words of Daniel Bishop, a student at that Florida school " if you are not with us, you're against us" . That sounds to me like he is condemning anyone that does not agree with him over the actions of a few.
Am I the only one that see's this ? Another question i'm wondering about. Will the children from the schools in the hot zones of our inner cities be involved in these anti gun marches ? Will bus loads of students from Detroit, Baltimore, St. Louis, Chicago, etc be sent to Washington to "march for their lives" ? After all, many of these children deal with gun violence on a daily basis.
Do you know what has been shockingly not talked about? The fact that the shooter was a big old trump lover, who posted his racist nonsense on the same social media where he is wearing his MAGA hat and posting images of killing animals. But it’s been barely talked about because the reality is this kid should never have gotten a gun not because he had a hard on for trump along with guns, but because he had a history of making threats.
That is the issue, that if you arm those who make threats, than you are not on the side of the people they harm irreparably.
Ignorance is bliss....
So , gun control discussion is only needed after a certain gun is used ? Again, no addressing the thousands of other shootings that happen ? I live in metro Detroit , i see the local news and don't see much anti gun rhetoric. In fact, the chief of police encouraged embracing the 2A and protecting ones self.
Yes, let’s deal with the gun issues at every level. This is complicated issue and will likely take multiple acts of congress. The fact you think curtailing mass school shooting is not a place to start is not because you legitimately care about the other shooting but just because you know this time it is actually getting some traction with a lot of people and you are even more afraid than you normally are.
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How can a rational discussion of gun control happen when those that are pro firearm are already labeled as not caring about lives, and that we have blood on our hands, or if we aren't with the anti gun crowd we are against them ?
How can it happen when those who believe we should try to prevent things like the mentally ill possessing guns are accused as a group as favoring breaking down doors and taking the guns of legal, law-abiding owners? There's not going to be rational discussion between the pot and the kettle.
How can a rational discussion of gun control happen when those that are pro firearm are already labeling high school-aged survivors of last weeks attacks as "crisis actors" or "indoctrinated by the Left?
A few of them are.
That doesn't mean all of them are.
And it doesn't mean the kids are being "attacked" when this is pointed out.
How can it happen when those who believe we should try to prevent things like the mentally ill possessing guns are accused as a group as favoring breaking down doors and taking the guns of legal, law-abiding owners? There's not going to be rational discussion between the pot and the kettle.
Dunno....
Maybe because some of you actually advocate confiscation of firearms, even right here on this forum?
Maybe because we know that any kind of ban on something that Americans already own millions of would be rather symbolic at best without confiscation of those millions of weapons?
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Dunno....
Maybe because some of you actually advocate confiscation of firearms, even right here on this forum?
Maybe because we know that any kind of ban on something that Americans already own millions of would be rather symbolic at best without confiscation of those millions of weapons?
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And some here will say everyone should be able to possess any weapon they choose regardless of their mental state or anything else.
Thanks for confirming my point that as long as we have people yelling pot! and kettle! there will be no rational discussion.
And some here will say everyone should be able to possess any weapon they choose regardless of their mental state or anything else.
Thanks for confirming my point that as long as we have people yelling pot! and kettle! there will be no rational discussion.
Sure, some on the right say that......but at least the Constitution backs them up.
"Shall not be infringed" doesn't leave a lot of room for asterisks and exceptions.
And most who say things like that aren't advocating zero restrictions so much as protesting knee jerk legislation that strips a Constitutional right from citizens without due process.
Yes, let’s deal with the gun issues at every level. This is complicated issue and will likely take multiple acts of congress. The fact you think curtailing mass school shooting is not a place to start is not because you legitimately care about the other shooting but just because you know this time it is actually getting some traction with a lot of people and you are even more afraid than you normally are.
Any type of rational decision should not be made due to emotional reaction. That is why many of us are pushing back. We know any changes that come from this will be nothing but feel good measures that don't address the root causes.
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