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Old 03-06-2018, 06:54 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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We can blame it for as long as it is still occurring... which it is, even if the law says it shouldn't be.

We can blame it for as long as their communities don't have adequate schools, infrastructure and resources.
So at what point is it the community's fault? It is not government's job to fix everything. When is their personal responsibility, and accountability? We have more than leveled the playing field. At some point, it is time to step up.
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Old 03-06-2018, 06:59 AM
 
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No.

If you look at the 5 most dangerous countries in the world (Colombia, Yemen, El Salvador, Pakistan and Nigeria), with the arguable exception of Pakistan, they are less diverse than the U.S but with higher levels of violence.

What they also have in common is high levels of poverty.

Therefore, I would consider poverty to be a bigger driving factor as a contributor to crime, than multiculturalism.
Without doubt that is a factor. As well as social conditions and the environment that people live in.

Explain why Cuba, a communist nation has a far lower violent homicide rate than Mexico, El Salvador, Guatemala and these nations listed above.
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Old 03-06-2018, 07:07 AM
 
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There are many places that are multicultural which have low incidences of crime and violence - Singapore comes to mind. Many of the Gulf states as well. Western Europe these days is very multicultural also - and while some may point out that their crime has increased with immigration (I haven't look into it - not saying one way or the other) it's still low compared to the US standard. And the US standard is low compared to much of Latin America.
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Old 03-06-2018, 07:09 AM
 
Location: St. Louis, MO
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So, how long has that happened now? How long should we blame systemic racism? How many multiple decades? Other "communities" have been poor, and destitute. The Irish, and Italians come to mind.


There is a huge difference. While I agree that there were huge assimilation problems with poor Irish and Italian immigrants initially...

By the 2nd and 3rd generations- when the accents no longer existed, just the surnames, it was a lot easier for Italians and Irish to be accepted into mainstream American society.

Hollywood, even in the silent movies, romanticized Italians- making them lovers and heroes, whereas African Americans were still portrayed as either the villain or lowly servant.

By the 1940s, mainstream 'White American' icons were made of Italian Americans such as Joe DiMaggio and John Basilone.

The same could not be said of African Americans to the same degree.

If a 3rd generation person of Irish descent were to walk into a store in the 1950s, sip from a fountain or visit a hotel bar, nobody would think twice... because they looked and sounded like a white American (which of course they were). An African American likely couldn't do the same, as very few could pass for White Americans in a country with massive racial divisions.

The experiences of African Americans has been far more recent, far more stark, and to an extent, continues.
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Old 03-06-2018, 07:11 AM
 
Location: Kent, Ohio
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I find it interesting that rates of violent crime were declining, overall, from 1990s until 2016. Since 2016, the rates are rising again. If multiculturalism were to blame, I don't think you would be seeing such steadily declining crime rates for the past two decades. As for why the murder rates have started rising again, no on seems to know (but see one theory below). It could just be a normal statistical fluctuation. In any case, crime rates are still relatively low, compared to the 1990s.

5 facts about crime in the U.S. | Pew Research Center

Here is one possible cause of the recent upturn:
But one theory that has gained traction of late is that violence has increased as police legitimacy has been questioned after the fatal police shootings of unarmed African-Americans. The shootings, many of which have been captured on video over the last three years, have been widely disseminated via the news media and on the internet.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/25/u...increase-.html
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Old 03-06-2018, 07:12 AM
 
Location: St. Louis, MO
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Without doubt that is a factor. As well as social conditions and the environment that people live in.

Explain why Cuba, a communist nation has a far lower violent homicide rate than Mexico, El Salvador, Guatemala and these nations listed above.
Only 5% of Cubans actually live below the poverty line. While they're communist, and therefore less affluent than what we would expect as middle and working class Americans, they still have access to free healthcare and free university.
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Old 03-06-2018, 07:14 AM
 
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No, it's white racists with a gun fetish and a propensity for violence.

Any other questions? Ok, good, you're excused.
Its more than that. I believe that over thousands of years. All different cultures / races have had some sort of war or conflict fought against each other. Historical cultural turmoil is embedded in a lot of people's minds.

The Irish hate the British? Polish hate the Russians? India hates Pakistan? Japan hates china? Saudia Arabia hates Iran? Greeks hate the Turks ...Try mixing all these people together in one country...

You have a ticking time bomb waiting to happen.
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Old 03-06-2018, 07:20 AM
 
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America was founded on violence with white people (colonists) having a War with other white people (the British) and establishing the 2nd. Amendment.

America enslaved blacks for hundreds of years and ran off the Mexicans & Indians off their land in the West.

Which culture is the violent one again?

Well, we have Russians that invaded eastern Europe , and enslaved them through communism. I know that Polish and Lithuanians really do not like Russians.... the ottomans had slaves...congo kings had slaves... Libya has slaves... Muslims have and had slaves... America is not the only one.. This goes deeper than a 100 year period of American history.
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Old 03-06-2018, 07:22 AM
 
Location: St. Louis, MO
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Its more than that. I believe that over thousands of years. All different cultures / races have had some sort of war or conflict fought against each other. Historical cultural turmoil is embedded in a lot of people's minds.

The Irish hate the British? Polish hate the Russians? India hates Pakistan? Japan hates china? Saudia Arabia hates Iran? Greeks hate the Turks ...Try mixing all these people together in one country...

You have a ticking time bomb waiting to happen.
More so than the different cultures and races, the wars have historically been fought over valuable land and resources. As another poster inferred, propaganda to dehumanize and vilify the people of different countries was just a tool.
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Old 03-06-2018, 07:27 AM
 
Location: TN/NC
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It's not the primary driver, but look at places like Vermont and the Dakotas. They are very homogeneous. They're small states. They have a similar people with similar values and belief systems. They don't have the huge swings between the extremely rich and poor like California. They're relatively safe places.
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