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Old 05-29-2018, 05:26 AM
 
Location: Marquette, Mich
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As a Dem voter are you embarrassed by people like Maxine Waters, Nancy Pulosi, Fredrica Wilson who combined would not have an IQ over 95?

Dems are in no position to tell us who we should consider an idiot.
So, "There are other incompetent people," is the best defense for Betsy DeVos? She is not doing good job! How do you suggest that is addressed?
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Old 05-29-2018, 05:42 AM
 
Location: West Michigan
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DeVos is doing the job she was appointed to do and what she had long dreamed about doing for decades...destroying the public schools so we can have for profit, church-based charter schools across the nation.
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Old 05-29-2018, 05:45 AM
 
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As a Dem voter are you embarrassed by people like Maxine Waters, Nancy Pulosi, Fredrica Wilson who combined would not have an IQ over 95?

Dems are in no position to tell us who we should consider an idiot.
When the question makes you uncomfortable because you can't answer honestly... DEFLECT
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Old 05-29-2018, 05:50 AM
 
Location: *
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DeVos is doing the job she was appointed to do and what she had long dreamed about doing for decades...destroying the public schools so we can have for profit, church-based charter schools across the nation.
so like Mr. Trump's agenda of "deconstruction of the administrative state." His objective appears to be to destroy America to make it great.

So like the AmWay schtick as well.
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Old 05-29-2018, 06:09 AM
 
Location: West Michigan
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so like Mr. Trump's agenda of "deconstruction of the administrative state." His objective appears to be to destroy America to make it great.

So like the AmWay schtick as well.

Destroy and rebuild into a 1950's image that only existed in sentimental memories of white, privileged people who live in gated communities.
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Old 05-29-2018, 06:54 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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DeVos is doing the job she was appointed to do and what she had long dreamed about doing for decades...destroying the public schools so we can have for profit, church-based charter schools across the nation.
Three comments on that.

1) THESE are the results public schools yield. Does everyone think they're acceptable?

Percent of 12th grade students of each race/ethnicity who are proficient or above, by race/ethnicity group:

Mathematics:

Overall: 26%

Asian/Pacific Islander: 47%
White: 33%
American Indian/Alaska Native: 12%
Hispanic: 12%
Black: 7%

Reading:

Overall: 38%


Asian/Pacific Islander: 47%
White: 47%
American Indian/Alaska Native: 26%
Hispanic: 23%
Black: 16%

National Assessment of Educational Progress - NAEP - 12th Grade Mathematics and Reading

Does anyone really wish to assert that Blacks are actually that much less intelligent than Whites? Or is it far more likely that our country's public K-12 education system is the largest, most wide-spread form of institutional racism in the U.S.?

BTW, it isn't a funding issue. Many school districts (e.g., Camden, NJ, Washington, DC, etc.) spend $20,000+ per student per year and still yield abysmal results.

2) A Center on Education Policy study has concluded that religious order (Jesuit, Dominican, Franciscan, etc.) parochial schools yield the best educational results, even when controlling for poverty/socioeconomic level.

3) Taxpayer money already funds private religion-based schools, so that ship has sailed. Boston College, Georgetown University, Emory University (which works hand-in-hand with the CDC, ask me how I know ), etc.,... are ALL religious schools and ALL have received taxpayer funding in the form of research and other grants, student loan funding, etc., for decades.
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Old 05-29-2018, 06:55 AM
 
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As a Dem voter are you embarrassed by people like Maxine Waters, Nancy Pulosi, Fredrica Wilson who combined would not have an IQ over 95?

Dems are in no position to tell us who we should consider an idiot.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
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Old 05-29-2018, 07:04 AM
 
Location: West Michigan
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Three comments on that.

1) THESE are the results public schools yield. Does everyone think they're acceptable?

Percent of 12th grade students of each race/ethnicity who are proficient or above, by race/ethnicity group:

Mathematics:

Overall: 26%

Asian/Pacific Islander: 47%
White: 33%
American Indian/Alaska Native: 12%
Hispanic: 12%
Black: 7%

Reading:

Overall: 38%


Asian/Pacific Islander: 47%
White: 47%
American Indian/Alaska Native: 26%
Hispanic: 23%
Black: 16%

National Assessment of Educational Progress - NAEP - 12th Grade Mathematics and Reading

Does anyone really wish to assert that Blacks are actually that much less intelligent than Whites? Or is it far more likely that our country's public K-12 education system is the largest, most wide-spread form of institutional racism in the U.S.?

BTW, it isn't a funding issue. Many school districts (e.g., Camden, NJ, Washington, DC, etc.) spend $20,000+ per student per year and still yield abysmal results.

2) A Center on Education Policy study has concluded that religious order (Jesuit, Dominican, Franciscan, etc.) parochial schools yield the best educational results, even when controlling for poverty/socioeconomic level.

3) Taxpayer money already funds private religion-based schools, so that ship has sailed. Boston College, Georgetown University, Emory University (which works hand-in-hand with the CDC, ask me how I know ), etc.,... are ALL religious schools and ALL have received taxpayer funding in the form of research and other grants, student loan funding, etc., for decades.

Public schools can't kick out students who are under preforming or who are trouble makers or who are disabled or any other arbitrary reason like they can in charter schools. They also don't have to accept any kids whose parents won't agree to spend x-numbers of hours helping around the school. If we made charter schools play on the same playing field as public schools there would be no differences in the results of the students they are turning out. DeVos will not be happy until all schools allow prayers in schools.
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Old 05-29-2018, 07:17 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Public schools can't kick out students who are under preforming or who are trouble makers or who are disabled or any other arbitrary reason like they can in charter schools. They also don't have to accept any kids whose parents won't agree to spend x-numbers of hours helping around the school. If we made charter schools play on the same playing field as public schools there would be no differences in the results of the students they are turning out. DeVos will not be happy until all schools allow prayers in schools.
So WHY ON EARTH are public schools LETTING THOSE STUDENTS DRAG EVERYONE ELSE DOWN?

Serious question. Separate the wheat from the chaff. Group students by achievement/ability/skill level. We already know that yields the best educational results for EVERY level that way. Why? Because instruction can be much more narrowly targeted to meet students' educational needs instead of teachers having to be a jack of all trades, master of none.

This problem has already been identified, but has never been resolved...

The dumbing-down began 50+ years ago as intentional 'social engineering' with the goal of creating more equal educational outcomes (and therefore more equal socioeconomic outcomes) and greater social cohesion. Naturally, none of the desired goals were achieved, and now we just have a colossal societal disaster of epic proportions.

A college professor has done the research, and tells us what has happened and why...
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"While students in the bottom quartile have shown slow but steady improvement since the 1960s, average test scores have nonetheless gone down, primarily because of the performance of those in the top quartile. This "highest cohort of achievers," Rudman writes, has shown "the greatest declines across a variety of subjects as well as across age-level groups." Analysts have also found "a substantial drop among those children in the middle range of achievement"

...The contrast was stark: schools that had "severely declining test scores" had "moved determinedly toward heterogeneous grouping" (that is, mixed students of differing ability levels in the same classes), while the "schools who have maintained good SAT [Stanford Achievement Test, for grades K-12] scores" tended "to prefer homogeneous grouping [ability/skill-level grouping, aka tracking]."

If attaining educational excellence is this simple, why have these high-quality schools become so rare? The answer lies in the cultural ferment of the 1960s.

THE INCUBUS OF THE SIXTIES

In every conceivable fashion the reigning ethos of those times was hostile to excellence in education. Individual achievement fell under intense suspicion, as did attempts to maintain standards. Discriminating among students on the basis of ability or performance was branded "elitist." Educational gurus of the day called for essentially nonacademic schools, whose main purpose would be to build habits of social cooperation and equality rather than to train the mind."
The Other Crisis in American Education - The Atlantic

Much more at the link.

This is the quintessential, most epic failure of the SJW mentality, and it has done irreparable harm to our country.

Have your kids in public school? You better supplement. A LOT!
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Old 05-29-2018, 07:23 AM
 
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Public schools can't kick out students who are under preforming or who are trouble makers or who are disabled or any other arbitrary reason like they can in charter schools. They also don't have to accept any kids whose parents won't agree to spend x-numbers of hours helping around the school. If we made charter schools play on the same playing field as public schools there would be no differences in the results of the students they are turning out. DeVos will not be happy until all schools allow prayers in schools.
Compulsory education isn't any different than a prison sentence. Schools should be for those who want to learn, not a place to deposit your troubled child and get them out of your hair for the day. Charter schools are funded by tax dollars so they wont be run that much different different than the traditional govt schools.
Why would you assume if the state doesnt run an education scheme that all schools will he religious in nature? Education can be delivered in many different formats. Have you ever heard of The Kahn Academy? Like so many, you are behind the times in your thinking. Soviet style even.
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