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a muslim man murders patrons in a florida nightclub and some people blame the killer. these people say the killer alone is responsible and not Islam.
a man murders high school students and some people blame the NRA and citizens who own guns. these people say the NRA is responsible and not the killer.
do you not see the inconsistency in these two statements?
Of course I do. I'm still not sure why you compared the two.
But, I happen to think lax gun laws are part of the problem in both of those instances.
I didn't see anyone asking what faith, if any, the Parkland shooter was raised up in and if that was why he killed anyone, so why should a random, Muslim guy shooting people at Pulse automatically bring up anti-Muslim rhetoric?
The NRA was involved in both of them because they lobby Congress and pay so much money to politicians to push their agenda.
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There are quite literally millions of gun owners, including millions of NRA members, who don't ignore school safety, they don't go and shoot up schools, don't bring their guns into the schools as they're "gun-free zones," etc. So, I'm not getting your point.
I do not disagree with you.
So, I don't get why it upsets you that there are enough gun owners who are shady that we need to take extra measures to keep guns away from THOSE GUN OWNERS.
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Originally Posted by odanny Beta males are all those fearful, pot bellied rednecks who think they need an AR-15 to feel safe. Real men are not scared all the time.
You forgot the bible, and truck with big tires....
You've nailed zero....pistols kill far more people, .
You'd have to qualify this. Remove suicides....because a long barrel makes it tough. Remove all security and police and domestic violence matters.
I'm not disputing you, just asking that you compare apples to apples. Do pistols wielded by legal civilian owners kill more innocents than Rifles? Link?
You'd have to qualify this. Remove suicides....because a long barrel makes it tough. Remove all security and police and domestic violence matters.
I'm not disputing you, just asking that you compare apples to apples. Do pistols wielded by legal civilian owners kill more innocents than Rifles? Link?
The Virginia tech shooter used pistols and killed 32 people and wounded 17. He also used a .22 pistol, after he got rid of his primary pistol....
How else would you like to to qualify (quantify) this? Would the actual FBI page work?
why are you offended? I am simply saying I don't want to talk to you.
Because I'm asking something that you can't dismiss with a cliché. Guns kill more easily than most tools and there is no proof that knives and care as effective as weapons of war. I asked to answer my simple question, you refuse to do so yet you continue to put forth the lie without support to your claim. Your premise would fail an intro to English argumentative essay because there is no meat to your claim. I'm sorry I proved you wrong but someone needed to.
Minors can be convicted of a felony. Some even commit murder. There's a J-ROTC source reporting the exact same thing, as well. Look around a little more.
Sure, but it looks like he was never charged with felony. If the school did expel him for that reason it looks like the police were never involved. Its not hard to see how someone like Cruz could have fallen through the cracks. As a said before, in another country he would just be a disturbed scumbag. We presented him with the opportunity for mass murder as we have in every mass shooting in living memory.
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Pure BS. How do you think Chicago's, Baltimore's, etc., gangbanger thugs get the guns they're not supposed to have even though those cities have "strict gun control?"
Easy, the Chicago gangbangers just pop on over to Indiana 20 minutes away to buy their guns. In Balitmore's case they are an hour from Virginia where the gun laws are very lenant. They have traced firearms from one gun store in Gary Indiana to dozens of gangland shootings in the Southside of Chicago.
Keep in mind he was also a minor and it never appeared that anyone pressed charge against him. From what I have obtained. The story about him bringing knives to school appears to only come from one source, a former class mate of Cruz. Apparently that was the reason for his expulsion but this information as far as I am aware has not been confirmed. The school authorities may have caught wind he was selling knives and used it as justification to expel him but he may never have been directly caught. Hence no charges were ever filed.
We cannot rely on law enforcement to do their job 100% perfect all the time in order to avoid mass shootings. Its just not gonna happen. In a country with strict gun control, Cruz would have never been able to get his hands on a gun.
Cruz was 19 when he committed the attacks at Parkland so it stands to reason he was legally an adult for many of his offenses. Law enforcement on so many levels failed. FBI agents should have followed up on his online threats to shoot up a school.
Because I'm asking something that you can't dismiss with a cliché. Guns kill more easily than most tools and there is no proof that knives and care as effective as weapons of war. I asked to answer my simple question, you refuse to do so yet you continue to put forth the lie without support to your claim. Your premise would fail an intro to English argumentative essay because there is no meat to your claim. I'm sorry I proved you wrong but someone needed to.
Weapons of war? Are you referring to the AR-15? A firearm that has never been used by a standing military for combat?
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