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Old 04-13-2018, 12:59 PM
 
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Why not? We can't fix all the problems in the world simultaneously.

Furthermore, The Trump administration just extended refugee status by 18 months to 7,000 Syrian refugees in the U.S.

Then there is the fact that Venezuela is in a worse crisis than some of the other countries you mentioned. In Kashmir, for example, the infant mortality rate has declined 15% in the last 5 years. In Venezuela, it has risen 30% in ONE YEAR.

Why are you against helping Venezuela?

ETA: Venezuela also affects the US regionally in a way that problems in the ME and Africa do not. There are countries closer to those problems who could be doing more to help.

If infant mortality rate is the criteria for refugee admittance, then below are the top 10 countries:
Mexico 14.6 (mortality under 5 years per 1000)
Turkey 12.7
Chile 8.3
United States 6.5 (Does this country sounds familiar)
Slovakia 5.9
New Zealand 5.4
Hungary 5.2
Canada 4.9
Poland 4.7
Latvia 4.6

>>Why are you against helping Venezuela?
Please show me where i said that. I fully support helping everyone irrespective of potential social, political or financial gain.
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Old 04-13-2018, 01:01 PM
 
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I notice the party of compassion...the same party that complains that Republicans are unfeeling racists who hate poor people...are making jokes. Do any of you actually care, or do you just want to make cracks because you hate the President?
You don't even understand the thick irony of your posts. If you support Trump, you have absolutely no moral high ground to call out anyone for anything. Shame on you. Get your own house in order.
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Old 04-13-2018, 01:03 PM
 
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You don't even understand the thick irony of your posts. If you support Trump, you have absolutely no moral high ground to call out anyone for anything. Shame on you. Get your own house in order.
Agreed
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Old 04-13-2018, 01:03 PM
 
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I am not a Trump supporter but his bad hombres label referred to people illegally entering the country because they are often people who have been deported numerous times. He was not referring to all Mexican and Central American immigrants.

The GOP has a lot of support from Cubans who fled that communist country. Perhaps Trump thinks that these Venezuelan ex-pats might be future republicans.
The actual number of serious criminals within that population tends to be lower than the native population. Crime rates in general are lower than the native population. The vast majority of them are not hardened criminals, and it is a completely dishonest and bigoted position to suggest that they are.


Cubans are pretty much the only significant foreign minority population that tends to vote Republican. They're an exception to the overwhelming rule.
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Old 04-13-2018, 01:05 PM
 
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You don't even understand the thick irony of your posts. If you support Trump, you have absolutely no moral high ground to call out anyone for anything. Shame on you. Get your own house in order.
I'm all for helping refugees - and heck even cherry-picking immigrants for those who have the most economic potential - but given Trump's past positions there is something pretty distasteful about coming up with a country where most of the folks are Christian and of caucasian ancestry.

Well, he spun the globe and found ... Venezuela.

Compassion at work, for sure.
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Old 04-13-2018, 01:06 PM
 
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This is inaccurate.

Here are some various examples...

Inflation: inflation in Venezuela in the first quarter of 2018 was 454%. Although other countries in CA and SA are experiencing inflation (notably Brazil at 9%), no other country is experiencing it at this extreme rate.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile..../idUSKBN1HI2MO

Poverty: Almost 90% of the country lives in poverty, up from 48% in 2014. People have lost an average of 24 pounds in the last year. There isn't enough food.
The country is in free fall. From the NY Post: "The study showed that 87 percent of people in Venezuela, one of Latin America’s wealthiest nations back in the 1970s, were living in poverty last year, rising from 82 percent in 2016 and 48 percent in 2014."

Even Guatemala's poverty rate is at 50%.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost....shortages/amp/


Healthcare: the health care system is collapsing. Among the problems are a lack of medicines, malnutrition, a lack of vaccines, and a lack of hospital beds. There is a 90% shortage of medicine and other supplies.
People are dying due to a lack of antibiotics. Women are giving birth in the street. Diphtheria is making a comeback, at rates even worse than Haiti, when it had been declared eliminated in 1993. Malaria has shot up 76%.

"The PanAmerican Health Organization reported on Thursday that 447 cases of diphtheria, plus seven fatalities due to the disease, had been recorded between the middle of 2016 and the middle of this year.

The numbers is the highest in the region, far above Haiti, which reported 72 cases this year. The disease was declared eliminated in the oil-producing country in 1992.

The numbers on malaria are even worse, Rafael Gottenger, president of the Venezuelan American Medical Association, said from Miami.

“Malaria cases are increasing at an alarming rate. The estimate is that this year we will have 800,000, and one million next year,” said Gottenger, whose organization has long been warning that Venezuela is heading into a humanitarian crisis."

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.miami...182770351.html

Another more recent article on the health problems:


Venezuela's President Nicolas Maduro has refused to accept humanitarian aid, blocking shipments of medicine and first aid supplies. Government data shows infant mortality rose by 30 percent in 2016 and malaria infections shot up 76 percent, Reuters reports.

"So most countries when they're hit by a crisis, they're taking aid from other countries, from NGOs," Associated Press reporter Hannah Dreier told NPR in 2016. "But Venezuela keeps refusing to take donations that other countries are offering and is actually turning back shipments of donations that people have given in places like the U.S., not letting medicine in."

https://www.npr.org/2018/02/01/58246...conomic-crisis


To emphasize: Venezuela is BLOCKING aid and medicine. Intentionally. Let that sink in. So no, this is not like other countries in the hemisphere.

I applaud President Trump for looking to help these people, either by giving them refugee status here or providing aid to other countries like Peru that have taken in a huge number of refugees.

I cannot believe any of you would criticize this decision. You complain that Trump doesn't have "feelings" and that he's racist...now he wants to help and that isn't good enough for you either.
Explain why that’s any different than Haiti or El Salvador?
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Old 04-13-2018, 01:07 PM
 
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Okay ... let's do Haiti. Last time I checked it was about 1000 miles closer to the US than Venezuela. Oh, and Trump cut foreign aid in his 2019 budget.
We have helped (tried to help) Haiti. Maybe we should discuss where all the money to Haiti has gone and whose foundation played a large role in the Haiti crisis.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc...-2016-37826098

https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/...on-foundation/

Furthermore, Haiti is obviously an island. Venezuela's crisis threatens the recovery of other neighboring nations who are prior to now had tentatively improving their problems.

From the article below:


"Some analysts say the international community has failed to acknowledge the dimensions of the crisis. Some resist terms like “refugee crisis” because, unlike Syria, Venezuela is not a war zone, said Dany Bahar, an economist with the Brookings Institution.

“But, to be honest, if you look at the numbers, the humanitarian crisis that is happening in Venezuela is as bad [as] in any country having a civil war,” Mr. Bahar told a panel last week on the crisis at the Washington-based Inter-American Dialogue think tank.

Colombia and Brazil, which share long land borders with Venezuela, have been under particular pressure. They initially tried to accommodate the fleeing Venezuelans but tightened their border controls in recent days as thousands continued to pour into their territory.

“The borders are unstable at the moment due to both the humanitarian situation and to the number of criminal and violent actors,” Ivan Briscoe, Bogota-based Latin America director with the International Crisis Group, told the news website RefugeesDeeply.com. “I do not think that Colombia has either the resources or experience to be able to manage a large outflow of migrants on its own.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.was...n-wave-south-/
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Old 04-13-2018, 01:09 PM
 
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We have helped (tried to help) Haiti. Maybe we should discuss where all the money to Haiti has gone and whose foundation played a large role in the Haiti crisis.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc...-2016-37826098

https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/...on-foundation/

Furthermore, Haiti is obviously an island. Venezuela's crisis threatens the recovery of other neighboring nations who are prior to now had tentatively improving their problems.

From the article below:


"Some analysts say the international community has failed to acknowledge the dimensions of the crisis. Some resist terms like “refugee crisis” because, unlike Syria, Venezuela is not a war zone, said Dany Bahar, an economist with the Brookings Institution.

“But, to be honest, if you look at the numbers, the humanitarian crisis that is happening in Venezuela is as bad [as] in any country having a civil war,” Mr. Bahar told a panel last week on the crisis at the Washington-based Inter-American Dialogue think tank.

Colombia and Brazil, which share long land borders with Venezuela, have been under particular pressure. They initially tried to accommodate the fleeing Venezuelans but tightened their border controls in recent days as thousands continued to pour into their territory.

“The borders are unstable at the moment due to both the humanitarian situation and to the number of criminal and violent actors,” Ivan Briscoe, Bogota-based Latin America director with the International Crisis Group, told the news website RefugeesDeeply.com. “I do not think that Colombia has either the resources or experience to be able to manage a large outflow of migrants on its own.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.was...n-wave-south-/
Any Syria crisis threatens whole of middle east.
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Old 04-13-2018, 01:10 PM
 
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I'm all for helping refugees - and heck even cherry-picking immigrants for those who have the most economic potential - but given Trump's past positions there is something pretty distasteful about coming up with a country where most of the folks are Christian and of caucasian ancestry.

Well, he spun the globe and found ... Venezuela.

Compassion at work, for sure.

Yeah, America's Dear Leader was fine with allowing the deaths of refugees from the Middle East/Africa- and most of Latin America- but somehow we're supposed to believe that he's a compassionate, empathetic soul because he's making some kind of deal with Venezuela? Please. I wish more people had the capacity to think critically, but we don't teach that and we live in an era where people are told that their beliefs matter more than what they can prove, so it's hardly surprising.
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Old 04-13-2018, 01:12 PM
 
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We have helped (tried to help) Haiti. Maybe we should discuss where all the money to Haiti has gone and whose foundation played a large role in the Haiti crisis.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc...-2016-37826098

https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/...on-foundation/

Furthermore, Haiti is obviously an island. Venezuela's crisis threatens the recovery of other neighboring nations who are prior to now had tentatively improving their problems.

From the article below:


"Some analysts say the international community has failed to acknowledge the dimensions of the crisis. Some resist terms like “refugee crisis” because, unlike Syria, Venezuela is not a war zone, said Dany Bahar, an economist with the Brookings Institution.

“But, to be honest, if you look at the numbers, the humanitarian crisis that is happening in Venezuela is as bad [as] in any country having a civil war,” Mr. Bahar told a panel last week on the crisis at the Washington-based Inter-American Dialogue think tank.

Colombia and Brazil, which share long land borders with Venezuela, have been under particular pressure. They initially tried to accommodate the fleeing Venezuelans but tightened their border controls in recent days as thousands continued to pour into their territory.

“The borders are unstable at the moment due to both the humanitarian situation and to the number of criminal and violent actors,” Ivan Briscoe, Bogota-based Latin America director with the International Crisis Group, told the news website RefugeesDeeply.com. “I do not think that Colombia has either the resources or experience to be able to manage a large outflow of migrants on its own.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.was...n-wave-south-/

You're flailing so hard. The fact is, you're never going to be able to justify how Trump selectively treats different nations in crisis. If you were truly objective and truly cared about any of these people, you would be equally troubled by his inconsistency as the rest of us are.
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