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Old 04-19-2018, 11:59 AM
 
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So all the kids who died were just collateral damage then.
All the kids who died there died because their so-called leader could not see fit to obey the law and chose armed confrontation to further the level of foolishness and insanity.

What kinds of weapons did Koresh have? He was in Texas so I gather most if not all were probably legal. If so, the ATF would have thanked him for his time and left. If not, then he was breaking the law again.

Breaking the law has consequences, sometimes deadly. It is most often better to comply with it.

 
Old 04-19-2018, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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The dog may have presented a "clear and present danger to the sovereignty of the United States".
Cops LOVE to shoot dogs.

US police shoot dogs so often that a Justice Department expert calls it an “epidemic”
 
Old 04-19-2018, 12:01 PM
 
Location: The place where the road & the sky collide
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Waco. Dozens dead from fire, including many children. Yet no “Coalition of the Willing” bombed the ATF or any U.S. chemical weapons factories. Maybe they should have.

CS gas--banned on the battlefield but OK to use on Americans.

No matter what you think of the Branch Davidians, the U.S. government still used lethal gas on its own people. Period.
I don't see you having a problem with the MOVE bombing in Philadelphia, a spectacle with many similarities, but the biggest differences was the race of the leaders & local vs federal law enforcement.
 
Old 04-19-2018, 12:01 PM
 
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all I have to say is, all of this happened because of democrat presidents.


all conservatives felt these were insane overreach by power loving leftist government
 
Old 04-19-2018, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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The boy was armed with a rifle and shot at LEO. He deserved to get shot.

If LEO comes to serve a warrant or arrest you, you hire an attorney and fight the charges in court. Where do you come up with this idea that you can just refuse to cooperate and arm yourself with weapons to prevent the arrest while getting away with it?
Because self-defense is a natural right.

Look what happened when a black liberation group stood up for their rights in 1985:

The bombing of MOVE: When the police dropped a bomb on a quiet Philly neighborhood
 
Old 04-19-2018, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Yep. That was the outright murder of a 14 year-old boy and his dog.
As well as a mother armed with nothing but her baby in her arms.
 
Old 04-19-2018, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Martinsville, NJ
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This white guy had no sympathy for Koresch and his adult followers. However there were children held there as well who were killed in the attack. The authorities at the time knew there were children inside the compound.
The authorities claimed the children were being beaten and sexually abused.
 
Old 04-19-2018, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Did the DOJ conclude that not grabbing Koresh on one of his many visits into town was monumentally idiotic?
He went out for a long run every morning. By himself.
 
Old 04-19-2018, 12:03 PM
 
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I understand exactly what happened. LEO showed up with lawful orders to arrest Koresh. Koresh and his followers refused to allow the arrest to happen. If it took tanks to enforce the rule of law, so be it.

Have the cops ever waited outside a black man's house for days instead of busting in immediately and doing their jobs?
Actually you don't. They followed Koresh for months. They knew his behavior. They could have arrested him at any time, away from the children, away from the house, just by himself.

They CHOSE not to. And instead decided to raid house with him inside. As well as children.

Which led to 76 deaths, military force used against the country's own citizens. Why? Because they were inside their own house.

This is the govt fault 100%. They could've arrested him at any time. But they chose to use force and killed children. Sick sick sick.
 
Old 04-19-2018, 12:04 PM
 
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Vicki Weaver was standing behind a door holding their 10 month-old daughter when she was shot and killed.

Wanna try justifying that???
Easy, she was barricaded inside the house and refused to follow the orders of LEO. In an earlier incident, her son and a family friend had participated in a gunfight with LEO. Vicki Weaver could have come out of that house at anytime with her hands up and surrendered. She is responsible for her own death along with everyone else in that house that thought an armed standoff with LEO was going to end well.
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