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Old 05-16-2018, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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There is a lot on nonsense here. Workers are free to live there life as they want and produce based off of their needs.
again you contradict yourself

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No, labor is the source of all existence, without it we could not live. Disabled, Children, etc. only live because they have a worker who provides for them. Without said labor they would die.


1. Labor is a necessity for each individual being those who can’t work need some else’s labor to live.

If you can’t work then your freedoms are naturally restricted;

how am I free to live my life as I want and produce based off of my needs, if I am mandated to provide to the commune
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Old 05-16-2018, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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again you contradict yourself



how am I free to live my life as I want and produce based off of my needs, if I am mandated to provide to the commune
Major production centers (unions) produce for the needs of the community. Outside of unions resources are available for you to provide for yourself.
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Old 05-16-2018, 10:09 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Major production centers (unions) produce for the needs of the community. Outside of unions resources are available for you to provide for yourself.
Unless the syndicate needs them "in a pinch" then they can and will ravage your home for supplies.
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Old 05-16-2018, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Unless the syndicate needs them "in a pinch" then they can and will ravage your home for supplies.
Supplies!!

Production centers are themselves the supplies. They produce the goods people use, they don’t need your bucket of water (it’s not yours either way).

Society will be different in anarcho-syndicalism, people won’t be hoarding MoP in their homes.
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Old 05-16-2018, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Major production centers (unions) produce for the needs of the community. Outside of unions resources are available for you to provide for yourself.
that is in direct contradiction to everything you have said about communism and the commune/syndicate/union/collective
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Old 05-16-2018, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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under communism a bed maker, with his/her creativity/ingenuity diminished by the collective would still be making straw beds
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Old 05-16-2018, 11:56 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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None of this changes the fact we are a right wing state capitalist economy.
LOL.
Illiteracy or functional illiteracy is not a cogent rebuttal.
Neither is stamping your foot, plugging your ears, and covering your eyes.

To be right wing, requires support of TRADITIONAL AUTHORITY.
Pursuant to the Declaration, that's CREATOR ENDOWED RIGHTS.

To be capitalist requires absolute ownership of private property by individuals, constitutionally protected.

Since 1930s, and especially FICA / Socialist InSecurity, that has not been the case.

The government can impose mandatory civic duties, that abrogate endowed rights to life, liberty, private property ownership - all by one's consent to be governed.

In short, welcome to the PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST REPUBLIC.

And that means all of your assorted complaints are really against LEFT WING COLLECTIVISM that has been implemented since the 1930s.

If you really want to effect change, WITHDRAW CONSENT.

Once 51% or more withdraw from Socialist InSecurity and submission to the glorious collective State, their game is kaput.
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Old 05-16-2018, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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under communism a bed maker, with his/her creativity/ingenuity diminished by the collective would still be making straw beds
Wrong again. A steel mills purpose is to produce steel. If a community needs more of it for housing, transportation, etc. (base needs) then it will be produced.

An individual can then take the steel and produce what they want from it in excess (excess steel produced by individual workers).
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Old 05-16-2018, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Wrong again. A steel mills purpose is to produce steel. If a community needs more of it for housing, transportation, etc. (base needs) then it will be produced.

An individual can then take the steel and produce what they want from it in excess (excess steel produced by individual workers).
wrong again

1. they produce ONLY what is NEEDED, these is no excess

2. under communism, they wont have the creativity to invent steel, it would still be iron
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Old 05-16-2018, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Supplies!!

Production centers are themselves the supplies. They produce the goods people use, they don’t need your bucket of water (it’s not yours either way).

Society will be different in anarcho-syndicalism, people won’t be hoarding MoP in their homes.
King Winterfall's dictionary entry for the day.

Doesn't matter. Your system is slavery. And the water is mine. Try to take it from me as I sit in my home and I'll end you.

Sorry, you are part of nature...not some observer from a distance.
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