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There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”
― Isaac Asimov
From Isaac Asimov's memoir I. Asimov referring to the libertarianism of his peer, Robert Heinlein:
"He always pictured himself a libertarian, which to my way of thinking means, "I want the liberty to grow rich and you can have the liberty to starve''. It's easy to believe that no one should depend on society for help when you yourself happen not to need such help."
From Isaac Asimov's memoir I. Asimov referring to the libertarianism of his peer, Robert Heinlein:
"He always pictured himself a libertarian, which to my way of thinking means, "I want the liberty to grow rich and you can have the liberty to starve''. It's easy to believe that no one should depend on society for help when you yourself happen not to need such help."
Some people feel entitled to wealth.
And those without the preexisting ownership required to succeed have just not worked hard enough.
The recent endorsement of the Far Left by Jean Claude Juncker is alarming, as is the recent push to move further to the Left by the US media (see the recent New York Magazine article in regard to this, as well as The Atlantic's recent debate over this).
Combined with the recent influx of an army of mostly young low-skill, low-education African men into Europe, who will do anything they are told to do to anyone who opposes their presence, I see the stage being set for communist style Red Terror in the near future. Which means genocide, anti-Kulak and anti-Cossak style.
No one beats communists in the genocide department. People should be alarmed.
Asians end toward extreme politics. See Iran, where Winterfall is from. See China. See Russia.
All systems built on imbalance and high emotion, which fueled the genocide of 100 million people on the Eurasian continent in the 20th century. All in the name of Winterfall's Marxism.
Now Winterfall comes here but hasn't left her emotionally rooted tendency toward extremism behind.
She's a member of the most balanced and fair nation in the history of the world, bar none, and can't help but to pine over how revolutionary change toward one extreme could "improve" it.
The reality is that she wants the deconstruction of something that graciously invited her family here to succeed in a manner that they could not and can not in Asia, but her presence here is instead politically destabilizing.
Her comrades, if they get their way, will ruin this delicate and mostly successful experiment. One wonders why they don't simply experiment more in Asia instead of gambling the farm with the only truly liberal large nation on the planet.
What an argument Winterfall has tirelessly explained his point dozens of times in this thread and thats all you have? Why don't you read through the thread and see what Winterfall is advocating it isn't totalitarianism.
Marxism(communism)/fascism/socialism all lead to totalitarianism all the time.... as does amerikan liberalism (fascism)
Apparently in AnCapistan, that's all there is. Simply semantics & sophistry eh Horatio?
Frankly, I'm not surprised.
Folks who cannot fathom how to 'semantically' deal with the fact that people are not property cannot realistically be expected to come up with another word for 'self-dermination'.
How about self-determination? Why is it somehow necessary for all people to become property in order to be free or autonomous? Freedom for automatons?
You repeatedly ignore the common sense counter that it's entirely possible ( if not desirable ) to critically & cratively imagine a belief system that begins with ... get this ... anti-climactic drum roll the concept that no one owns anybody, either himself or anyone else, nor any share of anybody.
& are seemingly stuck on syllogistic semantics:
All men are property
Automaton is a man
Automaton is property
How does this differ from the Antebellum ideology? It's nonsensical.
All people are property
Some people are dark-skinned property
Some people are light-skinned property
I did notice. After all, it's only semantics, why would ideologically-defined words matter? When words mean whatever the ideology dictates, they become meaningless.
In any case, the word 'framework' likely contains the most meaning here. For any ideology, religion, or philosophy. Like a literal framework for a piece of Art. Everything within the frame is controlled by the Artist. The person viewing sees the Artwork & can relate to the piece, love or dislike, 'get it' or not, & so on.
In any case, there's a whole world outside the framework.
There is literally the entire world existing outside the framework. It & I do not need your permission.
Please also see Plato's allegory of the cave, mistaking shadows for reality, & afraid to leave the cave.
Self-imprisoned.
If it's all semantics, what does any of it really mean? The NAP, the social or anti-social contract or lack of consent to either, & what about the children? Get real. What child consents to being born into this world? If it's all semantics, it's whatever you choose to define each & every term. It's worse than a house of cards. & there's no joy to any of what you propose. It's a prison where you get to choose the 'bars' & lucky you.
Me? I left the cave.
Would you like me to start using the phrase "self-determination"?
Wouldn't the principles behind the terms matter more though? For instance, me being anti-slavery and you being pro-slavery?
There is nothing natural about funneling the labor of the populace into the hands of a few unaccountable power brokers.
Marxism isn’t one ideology, it’s an anti-capitalist movement with different proposed alternatives.
and that is the common tone....all the authoritarian and totalitarian movements....socialism/fascism/communism and even American liberalism(fascism) are all anti-capitalist, and anti-freedom
the worst part is they cant open their eyes and see that capitalism is an ECONOMIC SYSTEM.....where are socialism/communism are social systems that push slavery
Quote:
"A Marxist/progressive/Fascist/Liberal begins with his prime truth that all evils are caused by the capitalists. From this he logically proceeds to the revolution to end capitalism, then into the third stage of reorganization into a new social order of socialism, and finally the last stage -- the political paradise of communism." Saul Alinsky
American liberals owe their entire agenda to hitler, the leftist agenda of American liberals is not much different from the leftist agenda of hitler
Quote:
We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler
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and that is the common tone....all the authoritarian and totalitarian movements....socialism/fascism/communism and even American liberalism(fascism) are all anti-capitalist, and anti-freedom
American liberals owe their entire agenda to hitler, the leftist agenda of American liberals is not much different from the leftist agenda of hitler
We have 330 million people in America today. 120 million are laborers. 30,000 people are the capitalist owners living lives of fantastic comfort and wealth unavailable to everyone else.
We have 120 million people working balls out to ensure that the owners live in the lap of velvet luxury…while the Laborers themselves are barely making ends meet.
That’s the American story as it stands today. That has to change, pronto. We are all important parts of production. For a few to live as gods parasitically siphoning the fruits of the labor of others is tyrannical, disgusting, unfair, and yes, evil.
Corporate entities are tyrannical top down creatures. Capitalism plays that same song. I don't want tyranny in my politics. I sure as heck don't want tyranny in my economics.
That is also why agriculture has been industrialized. We have enough farm land to provide enough for ourselves but the market requires supply to increase demand and make more profits.
Asians end toward extreme politics. See Iran, where Winterfall is from. See China. See Russia.
All systems built on imbalance and high emotion, which fueled the genocide of 100 million people on the Eurasian continent in the 20th century. All in the name of Winterfall's Marxism.
Now Winterfall comes here but hasn't left her emotionally rooted tendency toward extremism behind.
She's a member of the most balanced and fair nation in the history of the world, bar none, and can't help but to pine over how revolutionary change toward one extreme could "improve" it.
The reality is that she wants the deconstruction of something that graciously invited her family here to succeed in a manner that they could not and can not in Asia, but her presence here is instead politically destabilizing.
Her comrades, if they get their way, will ruin this delicate and mostly successful experiment. One wonders why they don't simply experiment more in Asia instead of gambling the farm with the only truly liberal large nation on the planet.
It's a he btw.
Communal societies in Catalonia and Even Burkina Faso gave workers the right to produce back into their own hands.
The system provides for people what they need but not in excess as the market does (which leaves the losers starving even if the land can provide for them).
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Why is it somehow necessary for all people to become property in order to be free or autonomous? Freedom for automatons? 
) to critically & cratively imagine a belief system that begins with ... get this ... anti-climactic drum roll 
the concept that no one owns anybody, either himself or anyone else, nor any share of anybody.
