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Whether they should have moved to central Europe to be surrounded by anti-semites such as yourself or elsewhere is irrelevant at this point. Too late, what's done is done.
If I were an Arab living in Israel today I would get on my knees every night and thank Allah that the European Jews showed up and turned that desert ****hole into a modern, free, and prosperous democracy.
I am not anti-Semite just because I am anti-Zionist. In fact I like some Jews (especially those in the West, good sense of humor) and Arabs as well (by far the largest group of Semites). And I don't mind Jews here in Europe at all.
Israel is only a good place for Jews, but not for others, be it in Israel or around it.
And whether or not a country is democratic does not really mean much, either. Especially when large parts of the population have radical views.
I won't even speak of all the corruption in Israeli politics.
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Originally Posted by Ellis Bell
I don't know where to start with either one of you two, so I decided to point you both into a direction of information. And it is pretty good information ...
Mark Levin aired his show from Israel May 22 - 24, 2017; I know it is a long listen and you may not even like the dude, but he covers the history of Israel, that dates back to 1000 bc.
I'm a boomer that does not want to brainwash, but only wish to share information that you may not know.
Israel was not established against the locals wishes ... they were the locals. (time around 16:00 - 17:50, on the show i've linked)
By the time you're done with those three shows, it will be evident who the terrorists are and who has been supporting the terrorist.
Sorry, I won't waste my time on someone like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_L...nd_politicians
He is not even a historian. Just because someone has a Jewish name doesn't make them an expert, to the contrary, makes him suspicious in this context.
At the time modern Israel was founded, Jews were not the only locals there, there were many others. After all, I suppose you don't advocate turning back the hands of time thousands of years and ignoring everything that has happened since ancient times.
To me both Israel and its neighbors are terrorists. Israel only gets away with it because of the Holocaust and massive propaganda.
Since they struck military targets, the premise of this thread doesn't match the event. There are better examples of Israel engaging in the double game of terrorism.
Regarding the "freedom" in Israel, there are some objective Jews that are actually investigating incidences and trying to bring Palestinians and Jews together, but they are often harassed and persecuted by their own government.
I think the real axis of evil these days is Washington-Jerusalem-Riyadh.
I've heard it said that what keeps America safe from turning into another war zone country is our allies. No one wants to take them all on, which means Israel would fight back as well. Could be truth in that statement. If we turn our backs on other countries, if the time comes we ever need them, they just may turn their backs on us. Just a thought ...
So if Israel is invading and bombing other countries we should support them regardless?
It sounds like it mainly done for Israel's internal politics. Their defense minister is calling it a one-off incident.
"Israel said it had no intention of further escalation, and analysts looking for clues to Iran’s potential response noted that its news media was largely ignoring the overnight hostilities, focusing instead on the nuclear deal. The English-language report on the airstrikes from Iran’s Fars news agency made no mention of Iranian involvement."
Iran's actions are handicapped while in the midst of negotiations with the EU and US. It turned out that Russia have relayed Israel's intentions to Iran in advance of the attack. In other words, they were informed of the pending attack by Israel through a third-party, Russia.
Regarding the "freedom" in Israel, there are some objective Jews that are actually investigating incidences and trying to bring Palestinians and Jews together, but they are often harassed and persecuted by their own government.
I think the real axis of evil these days is Washington-Jerusalem-Riyadh.
There is no axis of evil. There are only countries fighting for geopolitical interest. Bush's axis of evil was dumb as well.
I am not anti-Semite just because I am anti-Zionist. In fact I like some Jews (especially those in the West, good sense of humor) and Arabs as well (by far the largest group of Semites). And I don't mind Jews here in Europe at all.
Israel is only a good place for Jews, but not for others, be it in Israel or around it.
And whether or not a country is democratic does not really mean much, either. Especially when large parts of the population have radical views.
I won't even speak of all the corruption in Israeli politics.
Unfortunately for you, these days ant-Semite and anti-Zionist are often correlated. Denying Jews the right to have their own state when countless Muslim and Christian nations exist is the definition of hypocrisy, especially when you consider how much those two religions took from Judaism.
Israel has a significant Arab population living within its borders, who hold citizenship. There are even Muslims in the Knesset. Large parts of the population do not have radical views. Places like Tel-Aviv, Eilat and Haifa are very modern. You will find some Orthodox Jews and right wingers here or there, but they are hardly representative of the whole population. They even have gay pride parades over there.
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