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Old 05-12-2018, 09:10 AM
 
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Not necessarily. Warren Buffett took BK to Canada.
Let see if he had done that if that meant a total ban from any operations in the US. Do we have the guts to take on the ruling class?
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Old 05-12-2018, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Marquette, Mich
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I have twice been involved in contract negotiations. Our contact is really good. It offers some excellent benefits. Both times I was in negotiations, admin tried to erode some of those benefits. Everyone thinks those things would stay, but that isn't true.

If it weren't for the union groups, we'd all be earning less and would have crap healthcare. We wouldn't have generous time off, including funeral and family care leaves. We wouldn't have dental & eye care. We wouldn't have progressive discipline rules. We'd have more people working just under the threshold of full time and would have more independent contract workers.

We became a "right to work" state and have about 8 out of 190 employees opt out of the union in 2 years.
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Old 05-12-2018, 09:14 AM
 
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I have twice been involved in contract negotiations. Our contact is really good. It offers some excellent benefits. Both times I was in negotiations, admin tried to erode some of those benefits. Everyone thinks those things would stay, but that isn't true.

If it weren't for the union groups, we'd all be earning less and would have crap healthcare. We wouldn't have generous time off, including funeral and family care leaves. We wouldn't have dental & eye care. We wouldn't have progressive discipline rules. We'd have more people working just under the threshold of full time and would have more independent contract workers.

We became a "right to work" state and have about 8 out of 190 employees opt out of the union in 2 years.
Yes, it takes immense propaganda to be able to convince workers that they should have less leverage over the employers so the employers can abuse them.
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Old 05-12-2018, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Marquette, Mich
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Yes, it takes immense propaganda to be able to convince workers that they should have less leverage over the employers so the employers can abuse them.
We challenged our membership to go ask for raises on their own. The company line was "The union won't let has give individual raises." So we sent out a memo explaining the union was fine with it. There weren't too many raises offered. In fact, there were none.
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Old 05-12-2018, 10:00 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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In Capitalism, Unions are encouraged.
In Communism, Unions are not allowed.
Now ask yourself who sides more with Communism and also got in bed with China for cheap labor that have no rights?
Corporations. It's their choice. Don't like it? Don't work for them.
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Old 05-12-2018, 10:01 AM
 
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Yeah, like the UK getting three times as much Marshall aid as Western Germany after the war per person and growing by far the slowest of all Western European countries. You dont seem to understand what you write.
Why was Marshall aid even needed at all?
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Old 05-12-2018, 10:02 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Let see if he had done that if that meant a total ban from any operations in the US. Do we have the guts to take on the ruling class?
I doubt it. Look at how many on the left can't live without their made in China iPhones, etc.
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Old 05-12-2018, 10:32 AM
 
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I doubt it. Look at how many on the left can't live without their made in China iPhones, etc.
You doubt that Warren Buffet would do anything differently if his companies were threatened with serious consequences if he or anyone else moved offshore or started threatening moving offshore? You are living in fantasy land.
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Old 05-12-2018, 10:41 AM
 
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Why was Marshall aid even needed at all?
The ruling class in Europe knew perfectly well what would happen if they didnt do the right thing. They are not stupid. If the workers were not given a large say, strong wage growth and a good standard of living, both the economy and the power of the elite would suffer. A nightmare in a scenario when you are facing a superpower in the east.
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Old 05-12-2018, 10:41 AM
 
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You doubt that Warren Buffet would do anything differently if his companies were threatened with serious consequences if he or anyone else moved offshore or started threatening moving offshore? You are living in fantasy land.
It would never happen. Never. Tell you what... Try a test run... Get those sympathetic to your cause to give up their iPhones and all their foreign-made electronics (including Macs or pcs). Get Google, Apple, etc., to stop hiring H-1Bs and only hire Americans. It'll never happen.
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