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Old 05-13-2018, 01:40 AM
 
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Or Is it an inevitability?

How about a tax? They pay robots like they pay people but it goes to ubiversal basic income.
So it would twist their hnd ibto huring people probably. Hopefully.

 
Old 05-13-2018, 02:21 AM
 
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Sir. How many drinks have you had tonight?
 
Old 05-13-2018, 02:24 AM
 
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Sir. How many drinks have you had tonight?
Dude, literally like 2 or 3. Maby 4 if I decide to drink my last one. Just left the bar and eating tacos.
 
Old 05-13-2018, 02:56 AM
 
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Or Is it an inevitability?

How about a tax? They pay robots like they pay people but it goes to ubiversal basic income.
So it would twist their hnd ibto huring people probably. Hopefully.

I support ubiversal basic income.
 
Old 05-13-2018, 03:03 AM
 
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I support ubiversal basic income.
Way better than Universal
 
Old 05-13-2018, 03:46 AM
 
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Or Is it an inevitability?

How about a tax? They pay robots like they pay people but it goes to ubiversal basic income.
So it would twist their hnd ibto huring people probably. Hopefully.
No, I don't think it's a threat. As an example, look at game theory; let's say a econometrician has all this data about market demand, cost structure of rival firms, etc. - you can output all the models in the world, but if you don't have the right intuition and logic (you made faulty assumptions) then game theory can be somewhat useless. Especially as markets become increasing complex, the assumptions you make become more and more critical. In the end, it comes down to whether you can mechanize the best outcome of a game with highly irrational players. Theoretical computer scientists have found ways to reduce the amount of assumptions that economists have to make, but you can't know never know precisely what motivates your opponents.

The limits of game theory is explained by the work of philosopher and economist Micheal Polyani. He said, "we know more than we can tell." Essentially, humans have one thing that computers don't have, "tacit knowledge" of how the world works. There is a lot of fascinating literature on this.

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When we break an egg over the edge of a mixing bowl, identify a distinct species of birds based on a fleeting glimpse, write a persuasive paragraph, or develop a hypothesis to explain a poorly understood phenomenon, we are engaging in tasks that we only tacitly understand how to perform. Following Polanyi’s observation, the tasks that have proved most vexing to automate are those demanding flexibility, judgment, and common sense—skills that we understand only tacitly.
https://economics.mit.edu/files/11563

This paper does a good job of explaining how automation will eventually reach a limit, "bounded" by Polyani's paradox. "High level reasoning" (math, coding, etc) can be automated eventually, but things like "physical flexibility, commonsense, judgment, intuition, creativity, and spoken language" cannot.

Because of this, I think there will be increased demand for both high level creative and technical skills in the future. However, to be sure, there is huge problem there - which is education - which tends to be lacking in America. Right now, I think we have to solve the education problem if Americans in the future stand a chance at thriving in a very different economy than today.

In terms of "mass unemployment" due to automation right now, I don't think we will see anything like that. Service sector employees are generally thought to be targets for automation, but it's very difficult to automate something like a plumber, who must adapt to highly variable problems and situations. The same holds true even for fast food workers or a trucker who drives in a complex urban environment.
 
Old 05-13-2018, 04:25 AM
 
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Automation shall remain a permanent fixture within our future.

Since its primary and most fundamental objective is to displace workers and increase profits for industrialists and profiteers, its should only be deemed proper and just that we compensate the employable populous for their disadvantageous position of unemployment.

Therefore, the profits of those proved to be made super wealthy due to automation, should be most heavily taxed, prior to the taxation of others, in order to provide sustenance to those possibly displaced and disadvantaged potential workers.

Of course, America must absolutely restructure its system of education. Graduating high school students should receive Associate's degrees instead of the almost useless H.S. diploma. All high school graduates must be highly skilled within whichever field they've received their Associate's degree, as proven by critical tests and examinations. Additionally, the first four years of post-secondary education should be tuition free to those below certain income levels.

Once an American citizen has established themselves as a qualified worker within a particular field or profession, then that person should receive compensation for their already proven qualifications.

Therefore, unemployment compensation should be transitioned into "qualifications" compensation, once a person has registered with the government as being available for employment.

We as Americans should also be entitled to Universal Healthcare...

Last edited by zeliner; 05-13-2018 at 04:36 AM..
 
Old 05-13-2018, 06:57 AM
 
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Or Is it an inevitability?

How about a tax? They pay robots like they pay people but it goes to ubiversal basic income.
So it would twist their hnd ibto huring people probably. Hopefully.
We adapt to automation.

That's what human beings do.....adapt to changing times.

Automation requires more maintenance of machines, more building of machines, more coding of machines.

Now if you can do basic code you can find something to do.

Coding will become the 'manufacturing' of the future (overly simplified statement but you get the meaning).
 
Old 05-13-2018, 07:43 AM
 
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Or Is it an inevitability?

How about a tax? They pay robots like they pay people but it goes to ubiversal basic income.
So it would twist their hnd ibto huring people probably. Hopefully.

Learn how to turn a wrench, use a multi-meter, read a schematic, and soldier a circuit.
You too can control your own destiny, fixing robots and mechanized automation.
 
Old 05-13-2018, 07:45 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Look what the invention of the Tractor and Backhoe, did to farm labor cost.
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