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I really need to take issue with progressives moving to any very red states. Here is why: Before I retired I heard of the Villages. I even went there a couple of times. While I was less than impressed with their inability to tell me the total price of a new house there, the politics was much worse. Sumter Landing had Fox radio playing in the street. Barnes and Nobles had a rack of right wing books. Anything writings that were left of center were hard to find. There were other annoyances like a thirty thousand person rally for Sara Palin.
Meaning no disrespect to the OP, this is where they send Democrats when they go to Hell. Why would I go there voluntarily.
It’s just all in where in the state you live. I lived in metro Atlanta for awhile. My area was just as you describe. Tea Party rallies were all the rage at the time. Inside the perimeter though was a sensible liberal bubble of goodness. Liberals who love the country and want to save it should move to red states, but there is no reason to not move to a blue neighborhood.
Thew ruling business elites are the ones who pumped billions into the coffers of Hillary Clinton in 2016, desperately hoping Trump didn't win & are currently spending millions to pay off congress via lobbying to stop Trump from imposing tariffs that will help our people.
Trump is the answer the the ruling business elite. The "desperate population is despair" already exists. They elected Donald Trump. They lost their jobs in the steel plants of Pennsylvania and Ohio, their coal jobs in Kentucky and West Virginia, their textile plant jobs in the Carolinas, etc. They had the ruling business elites tell them they would never return and that our economy would now be a non-tangible service economy.
Both the corporate Democrats and Trump/GOP have the same big money donors. Wall Street, big pharma, insurance companies, the billionaire class is not interested in ordinary Americans. There wont be any change until the labor union movement is massively strengthened and we get big money out of politics.
After reading about Trump's behavior at G7, I think drastic measures need to be taken. Since we can't abolish the Electoral College for whatever the reason, people in liberal states need to figure out how to move in enough numbers to red states to turn this country around. This can't be allowed to happen again; he is a national embarrassment and a real threat to the word's security and political stability.
So, who's joining me in my move to Iowa?
Cancer often spreads and kills the host, just like liberals.
Iowa, Kansas and some other similar states have been, at times in the past, very liberal. Kansas was well known for being progressive. I know folks who live in Iowa and they are very liberal. It's close to 50.50 IMHO (may differ year to year).....
There is a book entitled "Whatever happened to Kansas" about this particular issue.
Liberals and more educated people are moving to a number of red states - turning them purple or even blue. But the gerrymandering and state politics are somewhat holding on to Red status despite the will of the people. Examples include
NC
GA
FL
As to many of those other red states, I mean - c'mon - people are not going to up and move to Kansas or Iowa unless they have family or business there. You can't hear the waves and you can't see the Mountains.....
Let the country go to the dogs if that is what people want....not much an individual can do.
There's a big difference between Midwestern liberals and what you call progressive. Midwestern liberals tend to support gun rights, Christianity, privacy, freedom of speech, border enforcement, America first trade policy, the middle and working classes. What the left calls progressive is in direct conflict with nearly all of those values. Progressives want all guns confiscated as their ultimate goal, hate Christianity and openly bash/target Christians whenever possible, support govt surveillance, targeting of political opposition, silencing political opposition via censorship, intimidation and violence, support open borders/amnesty/DACA, support corporations and globalism over the American middle/working classes (see tariffs threads), constantly drone on about how much more educated they are than the middle/working classes & relish calling them names at every turn.
That's why states like Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan saw those voters go to Trump in 2016. Here in Minnesota, those traditional Democrats are nearly all Trump now & that's how it is across the Midwest. The party and the ideology changes, not the people.
The Democrats now have to sort out their internal battle now & decide their future. Are they the establishment, corporate funded party of the moderate Midwest, or the far left, socialist party that wants to erase American history, focus on trans-gender bathroom issues, Muslim rights, defending MS-13, BLM, etc?
Both the corporate Democrats and Trump/GOP have the same big money donors. Wall Street, big pharma, insurance companies, the billionaire class is not interested in ordinary Americans. There wont be any change until the labor union movement is massively strengthened and we get big money out of politics.
Take a look at the corporate donations from 2016 and tell me with a straight face that the corporations donated equally to Hillary & Trump? You can't because you know it's not true. Same with this corporate opposition to tariffs that Trump is proposing. Look no further than the tariff threads here on C-D to see the left rabidly allying with the corporations, the Koch Bros & the establishment GOP against Trump/America.
There won't be a labor union movement until we return our manufacturing back to the United States & they stop throwing their support blindly behind the most compromised/corporate Democrat candidate every single time. In my union we're already having meetings about ousting our President if he gives anymore money to the Democrats, who are pushing corporate policy that eliminates our jobs and weakens our union.
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After reading about Trump's behavior at G7, I think drastic measures need to be taken. Since we can't abolish the Electoral College for whatever the reason, people in liberal states need to figure out how to move in enough numbers to red states to turn this country around. This can't be allowed to happen again; he is a national embarrassment and a real threat to the word's security and political stability.
So, who's joining me in my move to Iowa?
In 2007 I visited the Field of Dreams, which is in Dyersville, Iowa (it's the baseball field that was built for the movie Field of Dreams). I got into a conversation with a lady who lived nearby, having moved there a year before that from Los Angeles (IIRC, the move was so the kids could do some of their growing up around her husband's family...who all lived nearby/in that part of Iowa). The extent of the slowdown re the pace of her life was driving her crazy .
In all honesty though. Liberals need to move to Canada.
My preference would be Costa Rica but Canada would work for me too. I`m not going anywhere because my wife doesn`t want to have that much distance between us and our adult children. If I was single I would`ve gone 11 years ago when I retired.
After reading about Trump's behavior at G7, I think drastic measures need to be taken. Since we can't abolish the Electoral College for whatever the reason, people in liberal states need to figure out how to move in enough numbers to red states to turn this country around. This can't be allowed to happen again; he is a national embarrassment and a real threat to the word's security and political stability.
So, who's joining me in my move to Iowa?
Why would anyone join someone because they said? You made a drama queen post with no substance. No mention of any policy, not one. It's always about policy.
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