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Old 06-21-2018, 12:16 PM
 
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This goes along with what I warned about about Common Core/Fed Ed/Workforce Development.


Either Trump is horribly naive to the scheme or he himself is part of the Swamp:

https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2018...ion-labor.html
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Old 06-21-2018, 12:20 PM
 
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you need to explain your warning better.


COnservatives have been calling for the elimination of the department of education for years. looks like this might be a step in that direction.
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Old 06-21-2018, 12:21 PM
 
Location: In the reddest part of the bluest state
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In a way I like it but in another way it could get Orwellian pretty quick. Business has been complaining for years that people come out of school with the wrong skills to be the workers they need. So if they can roll up those needs through a combined department then there would be a chance to modify curriculum for the jobs of the next 10 to 20 years.
However, it also lets corporation get a hand in training the adults of tomorrow, which I think is a horrible idea. The next Albert Einstein, or John Steinbeck or Hank Aaron will not be nurtured in a setting like that.
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Old 06-21-2018, 12:24 PM
 
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Looks like an internal power play with Education assuming increased responsibilities from Labor.

It will require Congress to approve.
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Old 06-21-2018, 12:25 PM
 
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LOL. Its just more political noise to distract. This requires congress to get on board. Please. The Republicans do not have the unity of will on this to pass it. Nor does the current White house have the competence to make a good plan for this, let alone a good argument.
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Old 06-21-2018, 12:39 PM
 
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In a way I like it but in another way it could get Orwellian pretty quick. Business has been complaining for years that people come out of school with the wrong skills to be the workers they need. So if they can roll up those needs through a combined department then there would be a chance to modify curriculum for the jobs of the next 10 to 20 years.
However, it also lets corporation get a hand in training the adults of tomorrow, which I think is a horrible idea. The next Albert Einstein, or John Steinbeck or Hank Aaron will not be nurtured in a setting like that.
From my research, the latter is what they seem to be after. That's why I've been sounding off warnings in the politics and workforce threads. They want a controllable supply of cheap labor. Now they can use the "education" system instead of paying for training themselves. Thus, the trend of 2-3 years experience for "entry level" suddenly makes sense. They can eventually get you the training, but your ability to transfer from one career path to another will be slim to none, leading to desperate workers and exploitive employers.
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Old 06-21-2018, 12:41 PM
 
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LOL. Its just more political noise to distract. This requires congress to get on board. Please. The Republicans do not have the unity of will on this to pass it. Nor does the current White house have the competence to make a good plan for this, let alone a good argument.
This is the same treasonous CONgress that passed the Every Student Succeeds Act that already started to blur the lines between the two departments. They most definitely have the will to do it.
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Old 06-21-2018, 12:49 PM
 
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you need to explain your warning better.


COnservatives have been calling for the elimination of the department of education for years. looks like this might be a step in that direction.
The DOE should be an "advisory panel" of a few experts that helps promote "best practices" in education. That is all if anything.
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Old 06-21-2018, 12:58 PM
 
Location: PSL
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Looks like an internal power play with Education assuming increased responsibilities from Labor.

It will require Congress to approve.
No, there's places where they overlap. They want to integrate and remove 2 bureaucracies to make 1 department.

It's to cut regulations and to streamline the government.

Did you hear the dudes analogy of how USDA regulates a cheese pizza but throw pepperoni or meat it goes to FDA for regulations?

Another example.
ATF regulated alcohol tobacco firearms and explosives.
Yet...
It's the FBI that performs the background checks on firearm purchases to concealed carry permit/license. It costs the ATF to do NFA transfers. That division doesn't make a dime. And 9 times out of 10 you call the ATF oh it's the FBI holding us up on the background check. Call the FBI nope we never received anything from the ATF. Call the congressman to look into it...
1 year and 8 months later the stamps on 4 suppressors finally came in the mail after getting the run around from both.
Is there any reason why I should have to wait up to a year and 8 months to receive property I paid for? Even though the ATF cashed the checks... either disband the ATF or change the duty of background checks to the ATF since they're the regulatory agency of firearms. Not the FBI.

I've believed for years there is no absolute No reason for 5 alphabet soup bureaucracies to regulate or enforce for 1 thing... how else do you get higher taxes? Open another alphabet soup bureaucracy to further regulate what is regulated by others.

This is a good thing. Either disband 1 useless agency, or combine 2 into one.

Say department of Education and Department of labor are combined in the sense of, apprenticeship... it's both employment and education.
Make it the department of Labor and Education. Trim the fat from both agencies.
Roll back draconian regulations that both cover in some form.
It's a win.

Say you're a mechanic and want to open your own shop. Any reason why the health department has a say in your operations? Health department, Environmental conservation, OSHA, the state which you operate in, federal regulations on top...
Too much. Half of the hoops you need to jump through are asinine. Permits. Do you think it's appropriate to have multiple permits from multiple agencies to operate that shop?
That's cost prohibitive. To hell with it. Half those permit fees can go the wayside to never return. That's overhead that gets passed down onto you the consumer who brings your car to me the grease monkey.
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Old 06-21-2018, 01:07 PM
 
Location: PSL
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Another example would be environmental

Army Corps of Engineers.
They have to do a dam or a local example purge a lake.
They deal with department of interior to local environmental and federal environmental agencies.

Why is it multiple entities have to share control over something like a dam or purging a lake to consult with the army?
Put the EPA in charge of it kick the department of the interior out or combine it into the EPA. Have 1 entity to consult/guide the Army and it's functions pertaining to a dam/lake purge. Or remove the army completely and leave the onus entirely on the EPA.

The object is to streamline government so that it functions more effectively. Like a business...
That way it isn't costing an arm and a leg and taxes having to be raised to support another alphabet soup agency.
All of their HQ buildings in DC and states abroad require power, heat, cooling, dolts with a pulse to collect a paycheck and pension.
Trim the fat. Combine agencies resources where they overlap to form one entity rather than needing 2-3 entities.

This is a good thing...
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