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Old 06-21-2018, 01:46 PM
 
Location: PSL
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In a way I like it but in another way it could get Orwellian pretty quick. Business has been complaining for years that people come out of school with the wrong skills to be the workers they need. So if they can roll up those needs through a combined department then there would be a chance to modify curriculum for the jobs of the next 10 to 20 years.
However, it also lets corporation get a hand in training the adults of tomorrow, which I think is a horrible idea. The next Albert Einstein, or John Steinbeck or Hank Aaron will not be nurtured in a setting like that.
That and college tuition prices can go down if you aren't having to take fluff courses.
A prime example would be having to take 2-4 years worth of advanced English history science
If you are studying to become a nurse, mechanic, cop/lawyer etc... What's the purpose of continuing what you learned in highschool?

That's more time in classes to become more proficient in a trade/course...
That's less money towards unnecessary books and classes.

It's a win for college kids if that is how it works...

Quality. Not quantity. Higher quality education = higher quality students if they apply themselves.
I know for one thing, I'd rather be taken care of by a nurse that knows more pertaining to treating an ailment or injury over one that knows the history of Lithuania or advanced mathematics required for say an engineer.

Me. I'd rather hire guys who've never gone to college with 0 relative expirience. I can train them and mold them. Yeah. Takes a bit longer. But for that time I invest in them, it pays in the long run. I'd rather have dummies and train them to become proficient and experienced giving them raises as they gain in productivity and proficiency without screw ups.
I don't necessarily micromanage them. But if I see them struggling I'll help them. If I see they're about to make a costly error or possibly injure themselves or others I'll go over and correct them. I haven't had to yell. Haven't had to be a dick.
If a college were to teach what I do I'd hire at a higher wage for their expirience and knowledge. Perhaps they learned a money saving short cut that speeds things up. Maybe they know of a tool that can expedite things or make a task easier or quicker.

But to have fluff courses they're never going to use again? Or at all? Nah... unnecessary. I don't care what you know what you were taught that isn't relative to the job at hand. Sorry college and highschool lied to you in saying you'll use this later on in life when you wont...
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Old 06-21-2018, 01:55 PM
 
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Wouldn't Congress have to approve this? This Congress' track record is bad. Republicans can't seem to agree on much, let alone get the Democrats on board.
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Old 06-21-2018, 01:58 PM
 
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Either Trump is horribly naive to the scheme or he himself is part of the Swamp:

Part of the swamp? He's the king of the swamp. Anyone that hasn't figured this out is horribly naive.
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Old 06-21-2018, 02:02 PM
 
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LOL. Its just more political noise to distract. This requires congress to get on board. Please. The Republicans do not have the unity of will on this to pass it. Nor does the current White house have the competence to make a good plan for this, let alone a good argument.
republicans don't have the unity of will to wipe their collective noses. on this we agree
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Old 06-21-2018, 02:02 PM
 
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I support public education. I support everyone getting an equal education. I do not believe we need a DoE to do that.
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Old 06-21-2018, 02:03 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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you need to explain your warning better.


COnservatives have been calling for the elimination of the department of education for years. looks like this might be a step in that direction.

Yeah the entire thing is an attempt to get prayer, Bible reading, and creationism taught in public schools.
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Old 06-21-2018, 02:08 PM
 
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Yeah the entire thing is an attempt to get prayer, Bible reading, and creationism taught in public schools.
Wrong...

For you, it would be to make sure your career as a professional complainer isn't burdened with further regulations across multiple agencies.
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Old 06-21-2018, 02:41 PM
 
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The DOE should be an "advisory panel" of a few experts that helps promote "best practices" in education. That is all if anything.


Education was only upgraded to an administrative cabinet department under Jimmy Carter; and the GOP have been howling about it ever since trying to push it back down or simply get rid of it all together.
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Old 06-21-2018, 02:44 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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DOL and DOE merging?


Yeah, I hear they're gonna call it the DOPE.
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Old 06-21-2018, 05:07 PM
 
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I support public education. I support everyone getting an equal education. I do not believe we need a DoE to do that.
We were getting a great education before 1978. The DOE did not help anything.
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