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Old 07-06-2018, 06:52 PM
 
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actually its useless to try and educate AGW alarmists because its YOU that have been brainwashed, .

Why dont you educate these people with your esteemed knowledge of the climate?

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/monitoring...al-warming.php
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Old 07-06-2018, 06:55 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Only in your world, where you can make up whatever version of reality you want to. In the real world, you are laughably incorrect. I believe in climate science, you should listen to people who know what they’re talking about. You can start with Hansen.
It's an undisputed scientific fact that when Earth formed, there was no Oxygen in the atmosphere, only CO2, Methane and Ammonia, with some Nitrogen and trace Noble Gases like Helium, Krypton (produced from the decay of radioactive isotopes) and Argon.

That state existed for 2 Billion years, and guess what? There was no runaway greenhouse effect.

There were two major glaciations, the Pangolan and Huronian. That is a scientific fact, too. The only dispute is whether the equatorial band was fully iced over. Some scientists believe it was, others believe it wasn't, and still others believe the equatorial band was filled with floating pack-ice.

Near the end of that 2 Billion years, single-celled organisms in the ocean much akin to plankton evolved. Those organisms engaged in photosynthesis. The by-product of photosynthesis is free Oxygen.

The free Oxygen in the ocean was absorbed by reactive metals and minerals dissolved in the ocean. Iron is one of the most reactive, so it precipitated out first, settling to the ocean floor and forming large bands of Iron rust that are still visible today in Australia, Wisconsin, Michigan and elsewhere.

At that time the Huronian Glaciation took place.

After all the reactive metals and minerals precipitated out in the ocean, the ocean began absorbing Oxygen until it became saturated, and then free Oxygen started leaching into the atmosphere, where it quickly bonded with reactive metals and minerals on the surface of the Pangean Continent.

Once all the reactive metals and minerals on the surface had oxidized, Oxygen started to accumulate in the atmosphere.

The bacteria on the Earth's surface were anaerobic. Oxygen was poison to them and they started dying, but one mutated to be able to tolerate Oxygen. Then another mutation allowed bacteria to actually use Oxygen and the course of Evolution was altered.

After 500 Million years Oxygen still hadn't reached 10% volume, and yet there was no runaway greenhouse effect, but there was enough Oxygen to allow for the formation of the Ozone Layer.

Those are the scientific facts which you were unable to refute, so naturally you resorted to the standard rhetoric.
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Old 07-06-2018, 07:20 PM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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Why dont you educate these people with your esteemed knowledge of the climate?

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/monitoring...al-warming.php
Yup. No sense arguing to your own kind. Convince the scientists, meteorologists and other climate specialists.

But I doubt they do.
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Old 07-06-2018, 07:23 PM
 
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This is a traditional denialist argument.

Take a subject you don’t understand (climate change) and turn it into a political or economic argument (as you have aptly, and predictably done) and you feel comfortable discussing this instead. The Limbaugh’s, Hannity’s, Breitbart’s, and many others have figured out this approach years ago, and you can see it continues to bear fruit.

Your grandchildren will reap a bitter harvest, but you’ll be dead and gone, shrieking and wailing it’s all a conspiracy until your final days. And eventually this zombie lie will die in this country (like it already has virtually everywhere else in the developed world) and your grandchildren will have no choice but to attempt to clean up the environmental disaster we’ve left for them.
When one of the warmers predictions comes due I will convert.

Until then, keep trying.
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Old 07-06-2018, 08:15 PM
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZB1YtQtHjE
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Old 07-06-2018, 08:22 PM
 
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At this point, with the leftist climate armageddonist echo chamber in full swing, there is not much to be done. Keep them busy with denial, thwart or dilute their efforts, and keep enjoying our lives on this great oxygen-rich planet. Whatever else you want to say about Trump, he kept us out of the Paris eco-fascist redistribution trap, and he’s rolling back regulations left and right. It’s happening. They are talking and screaming, and we are doing and enjoying. I am OK with that balance for as long as it can last. And even after it’s over, it will take 10 or more years to turn the big ship Tyranny around and re-establish the armageddonist agenda. Pack the courts, make this dance last for as long as possible. For every year this lasts, we are on a reduced eco-tyranny diet. Keeping more of our money and NOT giving it to savage hellholes as a payoff not to develop and use fossil fuels. Let Eurotrashland give their lives away, we’re not doing it, and I don’t think anyone other than Trump would have caused this path to be followed. If Rubio or Kasich we’re president? We’d have made some hellish deal, signed on to the Paris bull$hit Accords, and would have contracted ourselves to pay, pay, pay. And I don’t even want to imagine how bad it would have been if we had elected the Noxious Biddy.
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Old 07-06-2018, 08:27 PM
 
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From the vid.

Earth goes through natural cycles. But denying climate change based on this is like saying "Cigs dont cause cancer because people get cancer anyways".

The climate change(natural), happens over geologic time allowing life to adapt. Millions of years.

There have been events like super volcanoes that cause mass extinctions.


Now there hasn't been a super volcano in years.

Volcanic emissions put out 65-319 million tons of CO2. This includes hot springs.
Humans released 29 BILLION tons.
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Old 07-06-2018, 08:41 PM
 
Location: Long Island, N.Y.
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An old saying that goes something like, "when they find a way to tax the air, they will ."

Here we are.
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Old 07-06-2018, 09:12 PM
 
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If the planet were destroyed, the mealy-mouthed twerp and the rug rats wouldn’t be around to discuss it. Got anything more coherent?
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Old 07-06-2018, 09:18 PM
 
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no one is suggesting that the climate is not changing, except fools and idiots. the question is, what is truly happening. some suggest that man is causing this round of climate change, others are suggesting that it is a natural occurrence, and still others suggest that man has a role in this, but argue how much of one.


but as has been noted by a number of us many times, we are in an interglacial period, and thus in a period of warming. and we have been in that period for about the last 15,000 years, with a fair period left to go.


and remember during the last interglacial period, the arctic was ice free. also note that compared to the last interglacial period this one is running 10 degrees COOLER than the last one.
It seems to me the only sane argument is that the climate has always been changing regardless of what man does, but that man can influence it too. So the debate is how much is man changing it.


I don't know how much man is changing it, but the fact of the matter is, Mars is getting warmer too...which suggests that possibly the sun is responsible for "some" or even most of the recent warming on Earth. Mars also has receding polar ice caps.

https://www.space.com/33001-mars-ice...nding-now.html

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/...s-warming.html

https://www.nasa.gov/centers/ames/re...rswarming.html

https://www.space.com/17828-mars-wea...discovery.html

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ce-age-retrea/

https://science.nasa.gov/science-new...aug_southpole/



With that said, I support doing more to preserve wildlife areas, green energy, etc...
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