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Does anarcho-capitalism allow shoplifting? If not, does it allow private security forces to use tasers?
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Originally Posted by Wapasha
If the private security force is in reality a highly trained police officer, who is authorized by the state government to use tasers, then sure.
I'm asking in the context of anarcho-capitalism which does not recognize the authority of the state. Mr. DeForrest was joining the side of those who said the officer acted inappropriately, and he is also an avid supporter of anarcho-capitalism. I'm wondering how anarcho-capitalism handles shoplifting. Is it just allowed? If a private establishment has the right to NOT allow shoplifting, what right does the establishment have to enforce it? It would have to use a private security force, naturally, but how would that security force enforce the rule? Could it use tasers? And what if the sovereign customer didn't agree with the rule? Would it still apply to him or her?
Can you show where anyone, a police officer, a security gaurd or anyone have been charged with abuse for simply detaining a shop lifter?
There have been cases where officers got fired over such, yes. On particular case a while back was an SRO who had to physically removed a student from class after the teacher and principal were unable to get her to cooperate. No I'm not going to search it for you. There are cases where officers are accused of such all the time.
There have been cases where officers got fired over such, yes. On particular case a while back was an SRO who had to physically removed a student from class after the teacher and principal were unable to get her to cooperate. No I'm not going to search it for you. There are cases where officers are accused of such all the time.
The officer did not simply apprehend the student. He smacked her around and threw her around the room. Try again.
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I've not seen a single case where a police officer has been condemned for apprehending someone. For beating them afterwards, yeah.
In the US there is a different standard regarding use of force by the police to Europe (and other parts of the world), and police in the US can use use force including deadly when they “reasonably” perceive imminent and grave harm. Although how an unarmed 11 year old girl can ber perveived as grave harm is anyones guess and this was excessive force imho.
In Europe, force is considered unnecessary if alternatives exist and all alternatives must be exhausted before force can be used and when force is used it must be the minimal force necessary and Police officers shall, as far as possible, apply non-violent methods before resorting to any use of force and this gould include de-escalation techniques taught during police training.
"The Criminal Law Act 1967 (England & Wales), the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 and common law apply to all uses of force by the police and require that any use of force should be ‘reasonable’ in the circumstances. Reasonable in these circumstances means:absolutely necessary for a purpose permitted by law, the amount of force used must also be reasonable and proportionate (ie, the degree of force used must be the minimum required in the circumstances to achieve the lawful objective) otherwise, it is likely that the use of force will be excessive and unlawful".
It also should be noted that police officers should be taught that there is "an increased risk of cardiac arrhythmia and barb penetration in children and thin adults" when using taser.
Individual officers are accountable and responsible for any use of force, and must be able to justify their actions in law and all cases of serious injury or death must be referred to Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) and the crime scene forensically secured.
In Europe (ncluding Article 2 of the European Covention on Human Rights - 'The Right to Life' applies to the police use of force.
In this case, the officer would be brought before the Courts in Europe and would be unable to justify the tasering of an 11 year old girl as exhausting all alternatives, he would therefore most likely be found guilty with a sentence of manslaughter which can carry a life sentence and dismissed from the police service.
This is what would happen in the UK, Europe and most of the rest of the western world but the US is different and has a different standard of force relating to it's police.
I don't really remember how many stories I've read of tasers killing victims of their use. But I have read them. I've yet to read a story of handcuffs killing someone (although, maybe they are out there). Common sense would tell me that handcuffs would be less likely to be lethal, though. And a HELL of a lot more civilized for the treatment of a little girl.
And you want some irony? Half the people defending this would have a major coronary if the headline were to read, "Animal Control Officer uses taser on incessantly barking dog."
If I'd read that headline, I'd smile and give a thumbs up. Especially after being kept up half the night last night by one.
But, unless that little girl murdered someone in the department store, I'm not going to support electrocution. Handle it another way, Officer Big Brute.
It wasn't even a department store. The girl was stealing food.
I definitely don't think it justifies a taser being used on an 11 year old girl.
My Mom and dad would have kicked my a$$ old school in public and grounded me for months if I got caught shoplifting.......I rather get taser than to face my parents especially my Mom when she got angry.
today's kids are soft and spoiled.....that's why many don't respect authority.
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Especially after being kept up half the night last night by one.
