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Old 08-20-2018, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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This is a marvelous example of a perjury trap in action. The questions are of the same gentle, softball kind that Mueller would like to ask Mr. Trump.

HINT: Trouble was avoided by the subject of the inquiry by telling the truth. Great plan if you happen to find yourself in this situation, right...?

https://www.politico.com/story/2015/...moments-215066
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Old 08-20-2018, 09:58 AM
 
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The made up term "Perjury Trap" is just as ridiculous as the term "Job Creators" when fishing around for excuses for more corporate welfare and tax breaks for the rich.

I wonder if Frank Luntz had an anything to do with this perjury trap bull-****...

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Luntz-speak

"Death Tax" (for estate tax)
"Government takeover" and "Washington takeover" (in reference to health care reform)
"Health care rationing"
Emphasizing "Climate Change" (vs. global warming)
"Job-killing"
"Help small businesses" (in lieu of talking about Capitalism)
Mentioning 9/11 in close proximity to anything having to do with foreign policy in the Middle East.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Frank_Luntz

Shame on the dummies that fall for this ****.
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Old 08-20-2018, 10:01 AM
 
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Mueller will not be speaking to President Trump.

Instead, Mueller has been allowed to interview his lawyer, Don McGahn, who is speaking on Trump's behalf.
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Old 08-20-2018, 10:03 AM
 
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Mueller will not be speaking to President Trump.

Instead, Mueller has been allowed to interview his lawyer, Don McGahn, who is speaking on Trump's behalf.
Trump and his crooked lawyers never had any intentions of Trump speaking with Mueller.
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Old 08-20-2018, 10:04 AM
 
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The perjury trap excuse is dumb because the premise that Trump will be prosecuted for mis-remembering some mundane detail is preposterous on its face. Moreover, if he truly doesn't remember something, he can always tell the truth and say, "I don't remember."

Not a problem:
Q: What did you have for lunch?
A: A sandwich
Q: What time did you have lunch?
A: 12:15pm
(Mueller has receipt for a panini purchase at 12:45pm)

Problem:
Q: Did you know your campaign was coordinating with Russia regarding the release of Hillary's stolen emails?
A: No.
(Mueller has recording of Trump directing Manafort to coordinate with Russia regarding the release of Hillary's stolen emails)

See how that works?
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Old 08-20-2018, 10:09 AM
 
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Trump and his crooked lawyers never had any intentions of Trump speaking with Mueller.
I believe you are right. I would be shocked to discover that was ever for an instance incorrect.
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Old 08-20-2018, 10:09 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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The classic "perjury trap" was pulled on Scooter Libby some years back.

The lawyers kept interviewing him again and again, and demanding that he fill out reams of statements about what he did when, with the same questions repeated over and over.

Twice Libby wrote out accurate descriptions of everything he had done during the period they were grilling him about, leaving out nothing. And the liberals could find nothing wrong with any of it.

And then some time later they repeated the same questions a third time, and this time Libby goofed, forgetting a few details before winding up with his third repetition of "And that's the complete story, that's all I did".

Libby obviously didn't intend to conceal those few details from the government. He had already described them fully, twice, holding nothing back - a fact that the govt acknowledged.

But when he screwed up on the third grilling, they accused him of "perjury", since he had provided a dozen details the first two times and said that was all, and then provided only eleven details the third time and said that was all. And they hit him with the "perjury" accusation, as though he had tried to mislead the government or conceal something.

It's the same "perjury trap" they would like to pull on President Trump, since they have no actual crimes to charge him with.

If you grill somebody enough times, you can accuse him of "perjury" no matter how many times he told you the complete truth. Unless he is perfect and incapable of forgetting anything ever, you've got him.

And he didn't even have to commit any crimes during the entire period you're grilling him on. The only "crime" came months or years later, when he told the complete truth to the interrogators over and over and then finally goofed. Years in jail and exhaustion of his entire resources and livelihood, to pay for a legal defense of his doing nothing wrong, are his reward.

And the liberals innocently pretend they can't understand why Trump's lawyers are telling him not to testify to these people.
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Old 08-20-2018, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Self explanatory
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The perjury trap excuse is dumb because the premise that Trump will be prosecuted for mis-remembering some mundane detail is preposterous on its face. Moreover, if he truly doesn't remember something, he can always tell the truth and say, "I don't remember."

Not a problem:
Q: What did you have for lunch?
A: A sandwich
Q: What time did you have lunch?
A: 12:15pm
(Mueller has receipt for a panini purchase at 12:45pm)

Problem:
Q: Did you know your campaign was coordinating with Russia regarding the release of Hillary's stolen emails?
A: No.
(Mueller has recording of Trump directing Manafort to coordinate with Russia regarding the release of Hillary's stolen emails)

See how that works?
Which of course will be funny, because he claims to have one of the greatest memories of all time.
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Old 08-20-2018, 10:12 AM
 
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I believe you are right. I would be shocked to discover that was ever for an instance incorrect.
Trump has perjured himself in the past but avoided legal ramifications because these testimonies were given during cases he later settled. His lawyers are well aware that he cannot stop himself from committing perjury. He's a pathological liar...and he's stupid to boot.

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Old 08-20-2018, 10:14 AM
 
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The classic "perjury trap" was pulled on Scooter Libby some years back.

The lawyers kept interviewing him again and again, and demanding that he fill out reams of statements about what he did when, with the same questions repeated over and over.

Twice Libby wrote out accurate descriptions of everything he had done during the period they were grilling him about, leaving out nothing. And the liberals could find nothing wrong with any of it.

And then some time later they repeated the same questions a third time, and this time Libby goofed, forgetting a few details before winding up with his third repetition of "And that's the complete story, that's all I did".

Libby obviously didn't intend to conceal those few details from the government. He had already described them fully, twice, holding nothing back - a fact that the govt acknowledged.

But when he screwed up on the third grilling, they accused him of "perjury", since he had provided a dozen details the first two times and said that was all, and then provided only eleven details the third time and said that was all. And they hit him with the "perjury" accusation, as though he had tried to mislead the government or conceal something.

It's the same "perjury trap" they would like to pull on President Trump, since they have no actual crimes to charge him with.

If you grill somebody enough times, you can accuse him of "perjury" no matter how many times he told you the complete truth. Unless he is perfect and incapable of forgetting anything ever, you've got him. And he didn't even have to commit any crimes during the entire period you're grilling him on. The only "crime" came months or years later, when he told the complete truth to the interrogators over and over and then finally goofed. Years in jail and exhaustion of his entire resources and livelihood, are his reward.

And the liberals innocently pretend they can't understand why Trump's lawyers are telling him not to testify to these people.
What a spin to cover for a pathological liar and fraud such as Trump.
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