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Got some proof of this. Or did you simply make it up?
I was alive and sentient at the time.
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Bill Clinton sexually assaulted a young white house intern. Then he lied about it. They had a case about that. Do you think they could have ignored it?
Monica was 24 years old and famously caught his eye by flashing her underwear at him. They both acted like a pair of 8th graders telling dirty jokes. It was his job to be the grown-up and he flunked.
I don’t know what “they” should have done. The sex itself wasn’t a crime. I only know that what “they” did failed to take political reality into account. “They” had Clinton dead to rights on the lying counts, and still lost the game. Instead of assuming that Ds would do the same in their shoes, why not assume that the Ds, as well as the Rs, learned a thing or three from that?
because they know it can backfire, like it backfired on the GOP with Bill Clinton.
The problem is that the Constitution doesn't define what is meant by "high crimes and misdemeanors". Clinton was certainly guilty of perjury, but Congress voted not to convict. Not because they thought he was innocent, but because his crimes weren't serious enough to warrant removal from office.
Having affairs with a porn star and a playboy model, paying them to be quiet about it and then lying about the whole thing, are despicable acts but i doubt that will get him impeached. Even Pelosi said "impeachment would have to spring from something else". Question is, what would be serious enough to warrant impeachment?
Plus they know that without a 2/3 vote for removal in the Senate, impeachment is a useless exercise.
Which is why Pelosi (after becoming Speaker of the House in 2006) - said that impeachment was really not an option - as there aren't enough votes in the Senate for removal.
Maybe you should read it again. Or maybe it just isn't that good. Clinton was successfully impeached.
But he was not removed from office.
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But he remained in office, didn’t he? The goal of the Rs was definitely to get him gone, and they failed spectacularly, spending tens of millions of dollars on top legal talent and exhaustive investigation. You really think that professional pols - R, D, and otherwise - haven’t studied the reasons for that to death? Maybe you should try some critical thinking on this subject - and stop assuming stupidity exists where you’d like it to exist.
Exactly. There will be a handful that call for impeachment. But most will not. What's the point? Just let it do a slow drip, drip, drip for the next year or two and then let the voters boot him out.
So it's clear the Democrat party will be running on the Impeachment of Trump for the 2018 midterms. Put Nancy Pelosi & Maxine Waters in charge of the House and they may Impeach Trump for all the "high crimes & misdemeanors" they say he has committed.
So how well will the Impeachment Platform work for the Democrats? Will it gain them the House or cost them everything? And more importantly will Trump be impeached?
Don't know where you got your story, it's false! The Democrats are not running on an impeachment Platform in 2018!
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Monica was 24 years old and famously caught his eye by flashing her underwear at him. They both acted like a pair of 8th graders telling dirty jokes. It was his job to be the grown-up and he flunked.
I don’t know what “they” should have done. The sex itself wasn’t a crime. I only know that what “they” did failed to take political reality into account. “They” had Clinton dead to rights on the lying counts, and still lost the game. Instead of assuming that Ds would do the same in their shoes, why not assume that the Ds, as well as the Rs, learned a thing or three from that?
The fine distinction is, Clinton lied under oath. In fact, he was accused of lying 3 times while under oath. Clinton's three lies, according to Starr - September 21, 1998
That's a lot different than simply lying. NeverTrumpers seem to believe that there is something illegal about having an affair and lying about it, which is the worst thing Trump has been accused of. It is possible that he never even had the affair, and just paid off accusers so that he would be elected. Nothing illegal there, either.
He will not be run out of Office. There are not 66 Senators with enough gumption to vote him out.
Congress will make his life miserable for the remainder of this term. And the 2020 Vote will be the most carefully watched Election in the entire History of Democracies.
If by party before country, yes. The issue is this NEEDS a look by congress and Trump needs to be put on the stand. This is why Trump needs to be impeached. Who watches the watcher?
Yup. The sex was legal, but the lies about the sex were illegal. I was just responding to WK's contention that Clinton assaulted Monica. He didn't. (Now Jones, if what she said was true (and I suspect it is), that constituted at least harassment.)
And even though the Rs had Clinton dead to rights on the lying, they failed to realize that impeachment is primarily a political process so they did not get the results they wanted. A lesson that I am positive has not been missed by either Mueller or congressional Ds.
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NeverTrumpers seem to believe that there is something illegal about having an affair and lying about it, which is the worst thing Trump has been accused of. It is possible that he never even had the affair, and just paid off accusers so that he would be elected. Nothing illegal there, either.
Sex between two consenting adults is perfectly legal, regardless of marital status. And lying about sex is also perfectly legal, unless you are under oath.
And yes, paying hush money is also legal. Unless the payments meet the definition of campaign contributions and are not reported as such. Ironically, the shenanigans Cohen/Trump engaged in to hide the payments are what has made the payments a problem. If they'd properly reported them, it might (would) have caused an uproar, but there would have been no legal jeopardy, nor a reason for Cohen to fight back from under the bus.
It's always the coverup that gets you in the end. You'd think people would have learned this by now, but obviously they haven't.
Trump made absolutely sure he'd never be impeached, which is why he picked Pence as a VP!
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