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Old 08-26-2018, 09:14 AM
 
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Actually she received 3 million more votes than the current dumpster fire and America lost.

Ah, but lucky for the US they didn't count !
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Old 08-27-2018, 10:11 AM
 
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The OP is dreaming, obama set the bar so low that nobody of any integrity will hold that office again !
Dreaming? Yes, about a better POTUS than any before, and how to get there, but people who claim such things about Obama (going back to Obama being a black, Muslim, foreign-born communist out to ruin America) are something of a nightmare...

Have you got anything other than anti-Obama hot air to substantiate such nonsense, because most of what I come across that is at all worthy of consideration says otherwise!

For example:

"Five presidents from this era each rank in the top ten which tells you something about the criteria that historians tend to use," said Smith. "It reinforces Franklin Roosevelt's claim to be not only the first modern president but the man who, in reinventing the office, also established the criteria by which we judge our leaders."

Here are the full rankings:

1. Abraham Lincoln
2. George Washington
3. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
4. Teddy Roosevelt
5. Dwight Eisenhower
6. Harry Truman
7. Thomas Jefferson
8. John F. Kennedy
9. Ronald Reagan
10. Lyndon Johnson
11. Woodrow Wilson
12. Barack Obama

"Once again the Big Three are Lincoln, Washington and FDR - as it should be," said Brinkley.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...ankings-235149

On what are you basing your claim? Other than typical alt-right partisan hubris?

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Old 08-27-2018, 10:24 AM
 
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Goodnight Jon Boy, goodnight Jim Bob...………...the Walton's

Trump supporters knew what we were getting.
Someone who won't quit. Someone who would fight against those who wouldn't listen to us. Someone who would try to do what he said he would. We knew it would take someone that didn't need the money of the special interest who could buy them out. We knew it would take someone who wasn't the usual choirboy.

Hardly a week goes by that the Marxist don't claim, they have him this time, on some bogas charge, the claim never materializes like they hope. He isn't even on the canvas.
Your posts rank highly among the most childish, and I really think it's best not to give them any more attention than they deserve, but for the adults in the room...

Trump supporters THOUGHT they knew what they were getting, and now..., no matter what they get, Trump supporters are supportive because they continue to demonstrate the same childish ego that simply won't allow them to consider what is going on objectively. This too is why the "Marxist" nonsense is part of the ridiculous narrative, exactly in keeping with Trump's. Never mind what any of it really means, other than to pull out every low-life trick in the book to "win." Not to win on the side of right, but simply to live another day, right or wrong.

Lots of bad characters were also known as people who "won't quit," right up until they were either killed or thrown in jail. I doubt the adults need that list either.

One truth is that Trump didn't need anyone's money, so no one was/is really in a position to buy him out, much like I had hopes the same truth would help to prove Schwarzenegger a good governor of California. Unfortunately, Schwarzenegger turned out to be not so good a governor just as even more unfortunately Trump is proving to be a bad POTUS.
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Old 08-27-2018, 10:27 AM
 
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Waa! Not My Pwesident! Waa!

Thank You for laying all Y'alls house of cards out there this last week for us to see while they fall.
Another one of those childish comments best to ignore for much the same reason people will often have the children sit at the children's table so the adults can have a mature intelligent discussion. Oh, and just how old and tired can these "Waa" comments get?!? Is there not even an glimmer of originality somewhere between those ears?
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Old 08-27-2018, 10:35 AM
 
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There will never be a TRULY honest president sitting in office that has the best interest of all Americans at stake. The people of the U.S liked crooked people in office nor do they want/care for an honest politician in office. Not going to happen, EVER.
There are lots of good reasons to quickly agree with you, and I may be "dreaming" again, but I think we have had honest presidents and we will have them again...

Problem is, however, we confuse the need to compromise AKA "horse trade" as all politicians in the White House and Congress must do with "lies," dishonesty. Anyone who has held a position of significant responsibility knows how circumstances will often require compromise, even changing one's position, to accommodate new circumstances that call for adjustment, to provide for the greater good. Sometimes that might even involve an inability to go through with a promise.

Ever had to tell a child that we can't go to Disneyland as promised because something has come up? Not really a lie, although children will often make sure to tell you that you're a "liar" for promising to go to Disneyland and then not going as promised!

Not to excuse politicians for doing wrong. Oh HELL no! As there is far too much of wrong-doing going on, but at the same time, I think people need to better understand what our political system requires of politicians and why they can't always do as "promised" on the campaign trail.

Rare are those who can clearly make these distinctions, because from a distance, it is very hard if not impossible to fairly judge what is going on behind the scenes, for better or worse.
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Old 08-27-2018, 10:37 AM
 
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I don’t support Clinton, but I did vote for her as Trump is by far the greater of the two evils.

With that said, you can’t justify Trump’s actions by claiming ‘Hillary/Obama would have been worse.’ That’s grade school logic.
True. The problem for too many Trump supporters. In a nutshell.
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Old 08-27-2018, 10:44 AM
 
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We knew it would take someone that didn't need the money of the special interest who could buy them out.
Instead we got a POTUS who uses his own money to buy other's out. Which is worse?

Facts are very stubborn things in any case, no matter what alternative reality web Trump supporters try to spin...

"Mr Trump’s position on the payments has changed a number of times since they became public.

First he denied knowledge of them, then his lawyer Rudy Giuliani admitted they occurred.

Speaking to Fox News on Wednesday, Mr Trump gave his fullest response yet to Mr Cohen – admitting the money eventually came from him but denying anything illegal had taken place.

Mr Trump said of the payments: “They weren’t taken out of campaign finance. That’s a big thing. That’s a much bigger thing. Did they come out of the campaign? They didn’t come out of the campaign, they came from me.”

Mr Trump also said he learned of the payments “later on”, once again casting doubt on exactly when he became aware the money had been paid to the two women.

Tuesday was described as the most consequential day of Mr Trump’s presidency by commentators because two figures closely linked to him were convicted within minutes of each other."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ampaign-funds/
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Old 08-27-2018, 10:48 AM
 
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What if instead of Trump, we actually required someone who was ethical, truly looking out for the interests of all Americans, rich and poor, no matter their skin color, religion, sexual persuasion or station in life?

Why is the bar getting lower and lower, and why can't we do better? More importantly, how do we do better?
I'm really looking forward to 2020 (and 2019) when the Democratic field starts to materialize. And how each and every candidate will be picked apart viciously for one questionable fault:

- Warren (Pocahontas)
- Sanders (old)
- Harris (weird first name)
- Biden (old and dumb)
- Booker (African American)
- some Young Dude (pretty boy with no substance)
- some Young Lady (pretty face with no substance)
- etc etc

And the argument will be "Do you really think that any of those people would be better than Trump? Look at their faults!"

Uh... yeah... I think nearly anybody would be better than Trump. Even on the Republican side. But, they'll nitpick one possible character flaw as if Trump isn't simply a complete mash-up of character flaws.
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Old 08-27-2018, 11:39 AM
 
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I'm really looking forward to 2020 (and 2019) when the Democratic field starts to materialize. And how each and every candidate will be picked apart viciously for one questionable fault:

- Warren (Pocahontas)
- Sanders (old)
- Harris (weird first name)
- Biden (old and dumb)
- Booker (African American)
- some Young Dude (pretty boy with no substance)
- some Young Lady (pretty face with no substance)
- etc etc

And the argument will be "Do you really think that any of those people would be better than Trump? Look at their faults!"

Uh... yeah... I think nearly anybody would be better than Trump. Even on the Republican side. But, they'll nitpick one possible character flaw as if Trump isn't simply a complete mash-up of character flaws.
Why good judgement is so important and the growing lack thereof beginning to weaken our prospects for better political leadership into the future. The importance and/or wisdom of having the electoral college forever becoming more apparent.

Now if we could only figure out how to at least prevent the electoral college from being guided by the corrupting influence of money in our political system, we might make progress. I'm beginning to lose faith and/or hope in the general populace...
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Old 08-27-2018, 12:08 PM
 
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We had that opportunity in 2012. Mitt Romney by all accounts is a decent, honorable man, with a proven track record of leadership, accomplishments and working with others. Look how that turned out. We had a media that lied, slandered and distorted everything he said-nearly to the extent they do Trump. And a media that covered up the lies, collusion, scandals and utter lack of accomplishments of his opponent.

What you ask for eliminates from consideration 98% of the Democratic party and probably 80% of the Republican party from consideration. For that person to succeed, we would need a fair, honest media to accurately and without bias report on both candidates. Do you see that happening without major changes in our system? I don't see anyone in leadership positions in the American media with that degree of integrity.
And a Senate Majority Leader (Harry Reid) who lied from the floor of the Senate (about Romney not paying his taxes).
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