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Clearly. "Over" back in August actually, so this investigation has been "over" for a long time now and seems to continue being over, over and over again, ad nauseam...
Interesting as well, all the attention Trump gives this investigation, with emphasis on who doesn't "flip." Flip about what one has to ask? Lots of "flipping" going on while this thing is "over," but probably all just fake flipping. Always just remember, all things that don't cast Trump in a positive light are thanks to all "enemies of the people."
"Trump is having a fair amount of trouble with the justice department, mostly the justice part."
Why the investigation?
GOP pressure from Congress. DUH!!!!!
Not every investigation leads to convictions - or even evidence of serious wrongdoing. Tell me again how many years the Clintons were investigated? How many times were they convicted of ANYTHING?
Aside from that, NONE of what happened with the FISA warrants will change the outcome for Mueller's investigation. You folks seem to think that it will somehow magically stop Mueller's investigation and negate what he's found. Sorry but's just some stupid pipe dream - and it ain't gonna happen. The Mueller investigation has wayyyyyyy too much momentum at this stage - and in fact has branched off into other unrelated investigations (some at the state level) so even if Trump fired Rosenstein and Mueller, the other investigations would still continue.
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I don't understand all the fixation on the FISA warrants in relation to the Mueller investigation. If the warrants are thrown out, the worst that will happen is that evidence which was obtained based on the warrants might be thrown out. Given how the Mueller investigation is progressing, he appears to have enough evidence to make most of the defendants plead guilty. And after someone pleads guilty, they lose the ability to argue about the legality of the warrants.
“[Cohen] makes a better deal when he uses me, like everybody else,†Trump said. “And one of the reasons I respect Paul Manafort so much is he went through that trial—you know they make up stories. People make up stories. This whole thing about flipping, they call it, I know all about flipping.â€
He continued: “For 30, 40 years I’ve been watching flippers. Everything’s wonderful and then they get 10 years in jail and they—they flip on whoever the next highest one is, or as high as you can go.â€
I don't understand all the fixation on the FISA warrants in relation to the Mueller investigation. If the warrants are thrown out, the worst that will happen is that evidence which was obtained based on the warrants might be thrown out. Given how the Mueller investigation is progressing, he appears to have enough evidence to make most of the defendants plead guilty. And after someone pleads guilty, they lose the ability to argue about the legality of the warrants.
It's not just the warrants. Its the dossier that is the problem. It has tainted more than just the warrants. Convictions can be appealed if new information comes to light that would justify it.
Who are you referring too in bold above ? Who does he have on the hook now ?
I don't understand all the fixation on the FISA warrants in relation to the Mueller investigation. If the warrants are thrown out, the worst that will happen is that evidence which was obtained based on the warrants might be thrown out. Given how the Mueller investigation is progressing, he appears to have enough evidence to make most of the defendants plead guilty. And after someone pleads guilty, they lose the ability to argue about the legality of the warrants.
Yeah the whole FISA investigation is just a GOP attempt at distraction. It won't work though - Mueller is forging ahead racking up a whole bunch of "wins" with convictions, guilty pleas and cooperation agreements. So far Mueller is batting 1000.
Team Trump - not so much. They haven't even scored a base hit (or even a walk).
It's not just the warrants. Its the dossier that is the problem. It has tainted more than just the warrants. Convictions can be appealed if new information comes to light that would justify it.
Who are you referring too in bold above ? Who does he have on the hook now ?
The dossier is not an issue either - aside from the fact that several things in it have been verified, the investigation was ALREADY underway even before the dossier was written.
Face it - none of your claims matter. They won't change a thing.
OK thats one. Who else, anyone ? Really doesn't matter who flips if they don't have credibility or documentation to back it up. We need a blue dress, if you get the drift.
I don't understand all the fixation on the FISA warrants in relation to the Mueller investigation. If the warrants are thrown out, the worst that will happen is that evidence which was obtained based on the warrants might be thrown out. Given how the Mueller investigation is progressing, he appears to have enough evidence to make most of the defendants plead guilty. And after someone pleads guilty, they lose the ability to argue about the legality of the warrants.
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Originally Posted by phma
It's not just the warrants. Its the dossier that is the problem. It has tainted more than just the warrants. Convictions can be appealed if new information comes to light that would justify it.
Who are you referring too in bold above ? Who does he have on the hook now ?
What about the dossier makes it problematic? If the FISA warrant was obtained based on false information, but the prosecutor has enough information not based on a faulty warrant to convict a factfinder, a conviction will stand. A faulty warrant will get you an order suppressing evidence found as a result of the warrant. It's not a get-out-of-jail free card.
I'm not going to list all of the defendants who have pleaded guilty in this Mueller investigation. Often, although not always, one condition of a guilty plea is that a defendant waives the right to appeal. In any case, they're all represented by counsel and have apparently concluded that it's in their best interest to plead guilty, dossier or no dossier.
OK thats one. Who else, anyone ? Really doesn't matter who flips if they don't have credibility or documentation to back it up.
Considering that all Cohen did was take a plea deal and cooperation agreement, then that would be the exact same thing that Gates, Flynn, Papa, and now Manafort did. So all of them have "flipped" according to Trumps definition of flipping.
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Not exactly a life time ago. 
