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Old 09-14-2018, 10:39 AM
 
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OK thats one. Who else, anyone ? Really doesn't matter who flips if they don't have credibility or documentation to back it up.
Actually, it does matter who flips because prosecutors don't need documentation to back up sworn testimony. If they have it, great, but plenty of people are convicted based on witness testimony. Also, the credibility of the witnesses (Cohen, Manafort) will be up to the jury to decide. As we saw, Manafort's attorneys tried to paint (can't remember his name at the moment) as a liar out to save his own skin but it didn't work with the jury.
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Old 09-14-2018, 10:40 AM
 
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The dossier is not an issue either - aside from the fact that several things in it have been verified, the investigation was ALREADY underway even before the dossier was written.
Face it - none of your claims matter. They won't change a thing.

Ken
None of your speculation or accusations matter either. They don't start to change anything.

I doubt you know when the investigation started.
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Old 09-14-2018, 10:41 AM
 
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Obama was corrupt and the easiest way to know it is all the scandals and only one prosecuted.
Dude, take a deep breath, because you're moving into tinfoil hat territory now. "The absence of evidence shows how great the cover-up was!" is generally reserved for Moon landing deniers, Birthers and 9/11 Truthers.
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Old 09-14-2018, 10:43 AM
 
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“For 30, 40 years I’ve been watching flippers. Everything’s wonderful and then they get 10 years in jail and they—they flip on whoever the next highest one is, or as high as you can go.” Donald J. Trump

Yep.

And guess who is the next highest one.

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Old 09-14-2018, 10:44 AM
 
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None of your speculation or accusations matter either. They don't start to change anything.
True enough, but they ARE likely accurate - as keeps being shown by Muellers' constant stream of convictions, plea agreements, cooperation agreements, charges etc - the hits just keep on coming.

And yes, nothing on this board changes anything. I'm fine with that. It's just conversation to me - a way to pass some time. In the meantime, Mueller keeps tightening the noose on Trump.
It's ALL good.


Ken
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Old 09-14-2018, 10:49 AM
 
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Team Mueller is running this like a RICO investigation.

The money guys are are talking and there are sealed indictments waiting.
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Old 09-14-2018, 10:49 AM
 
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Aug. of this year. Not exactly a life time ago.

So who flipped ? We will need a link on that.

There is justice and then there is just us.
Well for me anyway, "over" means done, no longer continues, not another day let alone months and still going. Again we seem to speak different languages, and your perspective continues to prove just too "unique" for me to understand any better...

Who has "flipped?" You don't need a link if you have been following the news since you started this thread. The people around Trump getting caught in this web of crime continues to grow, as everyone knows, and Trump himself is the one going on about those "flipping" or not.

Maybe spend a little less time wasting time with these threads and read a bit more of the news, not just what you WANT to hear but also what you DON'T want to hear, because again, you don't learn what you need to learn by listening to your own voice or those that sound just like you do!

Right! Heeding my own advice and thanks for the reminder. It's time for me not to waste anymore time here this morning.

PS: Your justice quote doesn't make much sense either...
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Old 09-14-2018, 10:54 AM
 
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Actually, it does matter who flips because prosecutors don't need documentation to back up sworn testimony. If they have it, great, but plenty of people are convicted based on witness testimony. Also, the credibility of the witnesses (Cohen, Manafort) will be up to the jury to decide. As we saw, Manafort's attorneys tried to paint (can't remember his name at the moment) as a liar out to save his own skin but it didn't work with the jury.
If you listen to what the juror said after the Manafort trial you would know it matters quite a bit. They convicted on the documents and without them Manafort would have gone free.
Sworn testimony from a convicted felon who lies cheats and steals is a risk, not a slam dunk by any means.
I doubt Mueller would take a weak case of someone's word against another to court.


Manafort's lawyer didn't try to paint anything they didn't even call a witness. It was the prosecutors painting Manafort and the jury didn't buy it. The doc.'s is what the jury bought.
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Old 09-14-2018, 10:59 AM
 
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Well for me anyway, "over" means done, no longer continues, not another day let alone months and still going. Again we seem to speak different languages, and your perspective continues to prove just too "unique" for me to understand any better...

Who has "flipped?" You don't need a link if you have been following the news since you started this thread. The people around Trump getting caught in this web of crime continues to grow, as everyone knows, and Trump himself is the one going on about those "flipping" or not.

Maybe spend a little less time wasting time with these threads and read a bit more of the news, not just what you WANT to hear but also what you DON'T want to hear, because again, you don't learn what you need to learn by listening to your own voice or those that sound just like you do!

Right! Heeding my own advice and thanks for the reminder. It's time for me not to waste anymore time here this morning.

PS: Your justice quote doesn't make much sense either...
Take your own advice. You have no idea what I listen too exclusively. One of the reasons I have to post so much is the left is in a bubble. They don't listen to anyone who doesn't agree with them.

That's a real problem with the left. They want to take a word and change the meaning to it like the new language they invent is some high standard.

Think of it this way. Two minuets left in a ball game and its 50 to nothing. The games over Billy lets go so we can beat the crowd out of the parking lot. The game is over but its not finished. Most people know what that means. Or you could look in a dictionary too. Its there.

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I'm sure it doesn't to you. Follow it up with "and we are going to pay" b/c that is the only justice there is.

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Old 09-14-2018, 11:17 AM
 
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Dude, take a deep breath, because you're moving into tinfoil hat territory now. "The absence of evidence shows how great the cover-up was!" is generally reserved for Moon landing deniers, Birthers and 9/11 Truthers.
Standard cult conditioning. The leaders know they are feeding BS and their followers will be called out on it, so if they can convince people ahead of time that other people telling them they are wrong actually proves that they are right, they know they can have a good little sycophant for life - nicely inoculated against any kind of external reasoning that conflicts with the base conditioning.

"So many people are hatin' cause they know we're right"
"If it wasn't true, all these (insert "out" group here) wouldn't be so upset over it."
"It's just the deep state... anyone who says it isn't, is a part of the deep state."

Works especially well on people with religious conditioning because most religions use similar "logic" as well.

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