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Old 08-31-2018, 10:00 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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No, fewer guns equals a safer society. For quite easy proof, look at the lower murder rates in Japan and Australia.
you mean two islands with strict immigration rules?
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Old 08-31-2018, 10:02 AM
 
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I think this story is based on a 60 year study, through 2012 or so. So it lacks the most recent history. Also, it includes a period in the US when assault weapons were banned or restricted. This ended in the early 2000's or late 90's. They might have tried breaking the 60 years into two 30 year intervals and looked for changes.

Even so, it shows the US's experience is not exceptional. We're one country of many that have a lot of mass shootings. Some have stricter guns laws, some have looser. It doesn't seem to matter much either way.
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Old 08-31-2018, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Stasis
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Loot at their chart, The US leads the western/"civilized world" in mass shootings, You wouldn't want to live in most of the countries that have higher rates than the US. (Iraq, Angola, Guyana, Sierra Leone, Burundi, Uganda, Afghanistan...)

https://crimeresearch.org/2018/08/ne...lobal-average/
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Old 08-31-2018, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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The Crime Prevention Research Center is the gun rights advocacy organization of John Lottie. Regardless of one’s ideology, does not excuse the limitations of this study nor the misrepresentation of data.

The study cited in the OP’s link covers the period of 2009-2015.

It excludes gang related mass shootings and any in connection with other crimes.

A mass shooting of 4 is given the same weight as a mass shooting that killed 58 and injured 851, as occurred in Las Vegas last year.

The statistical standard for per capital standard is 100,000. The study used 1 million.
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Old 08-31-2018, 10:07 AM
 
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Cherry-picking season starts early this year.
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Old 08-31-2018, 10:14 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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I think this story is based on a 60 year study, through 2012 or so. So it lacks the most recent history. Also, it includes a period in the US when assault weapons were banned or restricted. This ended in the early 2000's or late 90's. They might have tried breaking the 60 years into two 30 year intervals and looked for changes.

Even so, it shows the US's experience is not exceptional. We're one country of many that have a lot of mass shootings. Some have stricter guns laws, some have looser. It doesn't seem to matter much either way.
Bans don't actually ban anything. Just wanted to point that out. There is a current AW ban in CA and on the front page of Turners. https://www.turners.com/info/weekly-ad#.W4lpPuhKhRY

I bought multiple "Assault Weapons" during the 94-04 ban.
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Old 08-31-2018, 02:51 PM
 
Location: San Jose
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Bans don't actually ban anything. Just wanted to point that out. There is a current AW ban in CA and on the front page of Turners. https://www.turners.com/info/weekly-ad#.W4lpPuhKhRY

I bought multiple "Assault Weapons" during the 94-04 ban.
If bans didn't work then we would see gun homicide rates in Europe and Australia match the US. It seems like the less common a weapon is, the less likely it is going to be used for criminal purposes. Hence we don't see violence via grenades and RPG's because...no one can get a hold of them. Whats the most commonly owned gun in America.....handguns. Whats the number one murder weapon of choice...handguns.
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Old 08-31-2018, 03:31 PM
 
Location: TUS/PDX
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Great, let's have a pointless competition about who has the fewer bodies stacked up from gun violence...
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Old 08-31-2018, 03:38 PM
 
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So another myth bites the dust.

https://nypost.com/2018/08/30/americ...ass-shootings/

"Lankford’s (the man who claimed the US lead the world) study reported that over the 47 years there were 90 public mass shooters in the United States and 202 in the rest of world. Lankford hasn’t released his list of shootings or even the number of cases by country or year. We and others, both in academia and the media, have asked Lankford for his list, only to be declined. He has also declined to provide lists of the news sources and languages he used to compile his list of cases.

These omissions are important because Lankford’s entire conclusion would fall apart if he undercounted foreign cases due to lack of news coverage and language barriers.

Lankford cites a 2012 New York Police Department report which he claims is “nearly comprehensive in its coverage of recent decades.” He also says he supplemented the data and followed “the same data collection methodology employed by the NYPD.” But the NYPD report warns that its own researchers “limited [their] Internet searches to English-language sites, creating a strong sampling bias against international incidents,” and thus under-count foreign mass shootings."

Also,

"Of the 86 countries where we have identified mass public shootings, the US ranks 56th per capita in its rate of attacks and 61st in mass public shooting murder rate. Norway, Finland, Switzerland and Russia all have at least 45 percent higher rates of murder from mass public shootings than the United States."

So, the US ranks 56th out of 86. Even in the civilized world the US not first.
Not a myth:
The US has had 57 times as many school shootings as the other major industrialized nations combined

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Old 08-31-2018, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Self explanatory
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Cherry-picking season starts early this year.
lol, indeed!
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