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Old 09-11-2018, 05:42 AM
 
Location: Itinerant
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SpaceX is massively government subsidized which means it is and will be government served.

As for Virgin Galactic.

https://sservi.nasa.gov/articles/nas...hiptwo-flight/
So then as a central government expresses the will of the people, SpaceX would be funded regardless of whether or not there is a central government. Right? If not then why's your government funding something that doesn't express the will of the people? Either way your argument doesn't look good.

Secondly not sure about your point? NASA is using VG for transport? That proves what? That there's a central government funded Space Administration, that's using a commercial space transportation provider, kinda proves the point I'm making.
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Old 09-11-2018, 05:46 AM
 
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So then as a central government expresses the will of the people, SpaceX would be funded regardless of whether or not there is a central government. Right?
Are you really going to assume that the government simply does the will of the people? If this was the case we would not be flopping parties constantly. Was the will of the people to have the government illegally spy on us? I do not believe so.

In your society I would have zero desire to fund someone else's space travel. None.

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If not then why's your government funding something that doesn't express the will of the people? Either way your argument doesn't look good.
Why is that?

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Secondly not sure about your point? NASA is using VG for transport? That proves what? That there's a central government funded Space Administration, that's using a commercial space transportation provider, kinda proves the point I'm making.
You understand the point.
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Old 09-11-2018, 05:48 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Your article contradicts itself. It does NOT state it works, it states it has been influential. Seems sort of cherry picking to me to even claim that but I can claim that slavery was and is influential but it's not something I want to pursue.

Although anarchy has long been seen as an ideological system impossible to implement (if not inherently contradictory) and as a direct cause of numerous acts of terrorism throughout history, its ideas have still been influential.
Check the Korean one in Manchuria, or Catalonia. They worked, people controlled their own production, and worked on the basis of mutual aid instead of corporate profits.

You can see it in the Zapatistas today, they started in very poor and abused indigenous communities, now they have their own functioning schools, hospitals, and worker managed unions.
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Old 09-11-2018, 06:09 AM
 
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The end result of anarchy is government.
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Old 09-11-2018, 06:26 AM
 
Location: Itinerant
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Are you really going to assume that the government simply does the will of the people? If this was the case we would not be flopping parties constantly. Was the will of the people to have the government illegally spy on us? I do not believe so.

In your society I would have zero desire to fund someone else's space travel. None.



Why is that?



You understand the point.
Then for what rational reason do you continue to support a form of government that does not represent your will?

You know the definition of insanity...?
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Old 09-11-2018, 06:39 AM
 
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Check the Korean one in Manchuria, or Catalonia. They worked, people controlled their own production, and worked on the basis of mutual aid instead of corporate profits.

You can see it in the Zapatistas today, they started in very poor and abused indigenous communities, now they have their own functioning schools, hospitals, and worker managed unions.
If it worked they wouldn't need unions.
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Old 09-11-2018, 06:40 AM
 
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Then for what rational reason do you continue to support a form of government that does not represent your will?

You know the definition of insanity...?
Why do you say I do? Just because I understand a need for a government in no way means I support everything it does.
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Old 09-11-2018, 06:47 AM
 
Location: North of Canada, but not the Arctic
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I’ll concede that it may work for a small group for a short period of time, but not long-term for a country. (I also think socialism is a reasonable form of government for a small country with limited resourses.)

And murder, rape, and thievery are all part of Human Nature, but I don’t advocate them.
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Old 09-11-2018, 06:53 AM
 
Location: USA
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None of those are anarchies. You lose credibility for presenting oranges where apples are being discussed.

HINT: Those countries are experiencing feudalism, not anarchy, from a political perspective.
Those countries aren’t true anarchies...or true Scotsmen.
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Old 09-11-2018, 06:54 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Anarchism works, and is part of Human Nature.
Without it, there would be no USA, today.
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