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I truly believe this is why Trump supporters are willing to overlook all his faults. He is delivering SCOTUS justices that will make it possible for the Christian Right to turn back the clock on LGBT and abortion rights. This is the end game of something they've been trying to do since the 1980s. They have it within reach and aren't going to let that go over anything that Trump has thus far been accused of, even if it were true and even if they wouldn't tolerate it from any other politician. When you get down to it, they are willing to risk severely damaging the integrity of our democracy, our long-term economic prospects, and standing on the world stage just to have these conservative SCOTUS judges who will take rights away from gay people and women and give the evangelicals legal superiority.
So do you support reversing Roe v Wade/Obergefell v Hodges at ANY cost and does that play into why you still support Trump?
I supported Trump and do not want to see either overturned. I don’t like the thought one bit.
For openers; I'm not a Trump loyalist; my personal values are libertarian and primarily driven by a belief that personal and economic freedoms are unitary and indivisible. part of Trump's base is as economically ignorant as that of any doctrinal Socialist. But misguides as they are, Trump and what's left of the GOP pose less of a threat to true pluralism than the crazy-quilt of Leftist issues under the Banner of the Braying Jackass.
Roe vs. Wade will not be overturned; the legal principle of stare decisis (building upon consistent precedents) pretty much guarantees that. the issue will be returned to the individual states, and not many of them embrace or reflect a blanket pro-life position.
I'll be happy to see Ginzburg move on, but mostly because she's committed to the non-principle of "judicial activism"; its a shame that Sotomayor, who strikes me as one of the most shallow and manipulable individuals ever to sit on the Court -- the very antithesis of Justice O'Connor, who stood up to Senator Grassley's tacky efforts to discern her likely votes on key issues -- isn't likely to join her anytime soon. And the obvious desire for the limelight by Chief Justice Roberts isn't much of an improvement. But there is at least one individual (Breyer) among the Court's "progressive" wing, who understands the changing role of the highest levels of the Judicial Branch in an evolving society -- and without resorting to appeasement of an aggressive advocacy for individual causes.
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Trump supporter here and NO to your questions, I do not support reversing those.
Furthermore, although President Trump is anti-abortion, he considers abortion and gay marriage to be "settled law". Trump is not an evangelical conservative. I believe your premise is flawed.
It’s true that Trump is personally not an evangelical conservative, and I also believe that he doesn’t personally give a damn one way or the other about abortion and/or gay issues.
But he also knows who brung him to the dance, and he will shrug his shoulders and let them have their way. I think you are being willfully blind here.
There’s a reason why he chose Pence for his VP. You might ponder what that reason is.
I support overturning both rulings. What I would like better than overturning the rulings is for our state governments to ignore or nullify them. The rulings were always unconstitutional and allowing that same court to decide to overturn them legitimizes the power they illegally grabbed. I say nullify the rulings and see if the feds are dumb enough to attempt to use force to enforce them.
So what you're trying to say is you feel that for this modern day and age the U. S. Supreme Court has become obsolete, and that it should be left up to each individual state what the U. S. Constitution really means?
My husband and I are Trumpers and atheists who are pro-choice and also firmly support the separation of church and state. No, we don't believe that a three month old fetus is a full human life. So Roe v. Wade should stand.
Otherwise, no political party is perfect. This last election cycle, the Dems had nothing to offer us. And we are very much for stopping illegals from getting in and staying in our country. We are also against anchor babies.
I truly believe this is why Trump supporters are willing to overlook all his faults. He is delivering SCOTUS justices that will make it possible for the Christian Right to turn back the clock on LGBT and abortion rights. This is the end game of something they've been trying to do since the 1980s. They have it within reach and aren't going to let that go over anything that Trump has thus far been accused of, even if it were true and even if they wouldn't tolerate it from any other politician. When you get down to it, they are willing to risk severely damaging the integrity of our democracy, our long-term economic prospects, and standing on the world stage just to have these conservative SCOTUS judges who will take rights away from gay people and women and give the evangelicals legal superiority.
So do you support reversing Roe v Wade/Obergefell v Hodges at ANY cost and does that play into why you still support Trump?
You actually believe that.
Wow.
I did not vote for Trump to overturn Roe vs Wade even though I am against abortion.
It never ceases to amaze me just how people on the left can work themselves up in to a lather over things that aren't going to happen. Who feeds you all this bs?
The funny thing is, liberals don't realize that the real threat to reverse Griswold v CT (the genesis of the right to privacy and the derivative rights to abortion, contraception and LGBTQ rights) does not lie in dogma driven, right wing Justices . . . It will happen because of the left's war on the citizen's right to keep and bear arms.
The foundational legal theory that begat "penumbral rights" demands the existence of a "rational continuum" of liberty -- an unbreakable chain of individual rights which is exemplified in the first 8 provisions in the Bill of Rights.
If one of those rights (links) can be cut out of the unbreakable chain, then this "rational continuum" is nothing but BS and the legal reasoning concocted to support penumbral rights is undeniably a myth.
So liberals . . . If you think a right that only exists in the "penumbras and emanations" of the rights secured in the Bill of Rights can be more vital and more important and more secure then a right that is expressly recognized and secured, well, you better be careful what you wish for.
I continue to support President Trump and I have zero interest in reversing either decision. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong?
Apparently not, these wacky threads just keep coming.
I gotta say OP, you come up with some amazingly bizarre theories. And why do you insist on stereotyping millions of Americans? I don't, nor have I ever even met anyone who would support anything on your list. I don't know where you live, but around here I mind my business and nobody else, other folks do the same. And I can assure you no one sits around like J. Pierpont Morgan twisting our mustache planning our "legal superiority" whatever that is.
What I cannot understand is why the left is so adamant that it be able to murder the unborn with impunity. And to call this a "right" is absolutely bonkers.
I think Roe v Wade should be overturned because it was decided on a utterly defective argument. The "right to privacy" was violated by banning abortions? What? Crazy much??
Apply this crazy leftist logic to any other crime : "who I murder in the privacy of my own home is MY business, not the governments".
Do we want that to be the law of the land regarding homicide?
Or how about "Who I rape in the privacy of my own home is MY business not the governments".
It just gets nuttier and nuttier. This is the result when you have a judicial decision based on defective reasoning. You get nutball results and protections for crimes that are inexcusable no matter if they are conducted privately or not.
"The bombs I build in my own home are nobody's business but my own!"
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