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Old 06-21-2018, 09:45 PM
 
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https://chicago.curbed.com/2018/6/20...te-nra-lawsuit

The artist behind Chicago’s iconic Cloud Gate sculpture in Millennium Park filed a lawsuit against the National Rifle Association for copyright infringement after the organization’s refusal to remove an image of the work from a promotional video.

Titled The Clenched Fist of Truth, the 2017 clip features a number of U.S. landmarks mixed with scenes of violence and civic unrest. It concludes with the pro-gun group urging supporters to standup to the mainstream media and “fight this violence of lies with the clenched fist of truth.”

This is the NRA video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOfLjGg5gP0

The British Artist comments.
“[The video] plays to the basest and most primal impulses of paranoia, conflict and violence, and uses them in an effort to create a schism to justify its most regressive attitudes,” Kapoor wrote in March in an open letter condemning the unauthorized depiction of Cloud Gate or commonly called The Bean.

* Above from the link on the lawsuit and Artist reasons for it.

US laws say ... on copyrights here as a sculpture even in a public park:

It’s called freedom of panorama (FOP), and in the United States buildings are not copyrightable but sculpture/works of art even in public spaces is copyrightable (and thus all images of sculpture are protected as derivative works), other countries have more restrictive FOP and others less restrictive.

It is only a GLIMPSE of The Bean in the video. You would think the NRA would remove it and changes nothing in the video message......

*** Let it go to being about Trump Hate as a reason and liberal snowflakes comments as usual .....

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Old 06-21-2018, 09:59 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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What the hell is that ugly azzed thing? Looks like a giant, chrome plated stomach.

If the "artist" has an issue with it being photographed when in a public place-please, toss a tarp over it and wrap it up. Will make the neighborhood look better.
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Old 06-22-2018, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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What the hell is that ugly azzed thing? Looks like a giant, chrome plated stomach.

If the "artist" has an issue with it being photographed when in a public place-please, toss a tarp over it and wrap it up. Will make the neighborhood look better.
What you think of the sculpture doesn't count for bug spit. The artist has a registered trademark on his work, and by law, that gives him the right to say how an image of it can be used or not.

Those same trademarks protect a lot of our free trade and commerce, and trademarks are not restricted to art only. If you believe in a free market and open competition, trademarks are one of the protections a company has to protect its intellectual property.

Theft of an image is theft. You seem to be willing to reward the thieves.
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Old 10-24-2018, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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LOL What a crock of turd soup!

Notwithstanding the fact that Kapoor only sued because he hates the NRA, calling the filming of public space in Chicago, in which viewers see a second-long succession of many objects, including the bean, should hardly be called "copyright infringement." Give me a break.

Oh, and:


https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/th...lpture-1154641

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Old 10-24-2018, 10:02 AM
 
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LOL What a crock of turd soup!

Notwithstanding the fact that Kapoor only sued because he hates the NRA, calling the filming of public space in Chicago, in which viewers see a second-long succession of many objects, including the bean, should hardly be called "copyright infringement." Give me a break.

Oh, and:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/th...lpture-1154641

Artists own copyrights to the creation. He has a right to determine who/what persons/organizations uses its image, especially so in promotional material.
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Old 10-24-2018, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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Artists own copyrights to the creation. He has a right to determine who/what persons/organizations uses its image, especially so in promotional material.

We'll see.
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Old 10-24-2018, 10:19 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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https://chicago.curbed.com/2018/6/20...te-nra-lawsuit

The artist behind Chicago’s iconic Cloud Gate sculpture in Millennium Park filed a lawsuit against the National Rifle Association for copyright infringement after the organization’s refusal to remove an image of the work from a promotional video.

Titled The Clenched Fist of Truth, the 2017 clip features a number of U.S. landmarks mixed with scenes of violence and civic unrest. It concludes with the pro-gun group urging supporters to standup to the mainstream media and “fight this violence of lies with the clenched fist of truth.”

This is the NRA video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOfLjGg5gP0

The British Artist comments.
“[The video] plays to the basest and most primal impulses of paranoia, conflict and violence, and uses them in an effort to create a schism to justify its most regressive attitudes,” Kapoor wrote in March in an open letter condemning the unauthorized depiction of Cloud Gate or commonly called The Bean.

* Above from the link on the lawsuit and Artist reasons for it.

US laws say ... on copyrights here as a sculpture even in a public park:

It’s called freedom of panorama (FOP), and in the United States buildings are not copyrightable but sculpture/works of art even in public spaces is copyrightable (and thus all images of sculpture are protected as derivative works), other countries have more restrictive FOP and others less restrictive.

It is only a GLIMPSE of The Bean in the video. You would think the NRA would remove it and changes nothing in the video message......

*** Let it go to being about Trump Hate as a reason and liberal snowflakes comments as usual .....



Sorry dude, you got paid. It is no longer yours to have a say.
The people that bought it from him, put it in a publicly viewed space, not in a private museum that does not allow photography.


Go pound sand, Mr Butthurt.
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Old 10-24-2018, 10:21 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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What you think of the sculpture doesn't count for bug spit. The artist has a registered trademark on his work, and by law, that gives him the right to say how an image of it can be used or not.

Those same trademarks protect a lot of our free trade and commerce, and trademarks are not restricted to art only. If you believe in a free market and open competition, trademarks are one of the protections a company has to protect its intellectual property.

Theft of an image is theft. You seem to be willing to reward the thieves.





The artist sold his work....
He doesn't have crap.


The owners of the property it sits on have all the say and if placed in public view, they better tarp it fast.
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Old 10-24-2018, 10:24 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Artists own copyrights to the creation. He has a right to determine who/what persons/organizations uses its image, especially so in promotional material.
He sold the copyrights to that piece, to the property owners where it sits today. They commissioned it.
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Old 10-24-2018, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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Sorry dude, you got paid. It is no longer yours to have a say.
The people that bought it from him, put it in a publicly viewed space, not in a private museum that does not allow photography.


Go pound sand, Mr Butthurt.



Not only all of that (), people are forgetting one of the most important elements of trademark/copyright law: artists, businesses, etc., cannot pick and choose for copyright violation(s). That's why you often see attorneys for those claiming proprietary ownership of a name, idea, object, etc. suing even the smallest and most insignificant entities, which they find because they actively search for them.

This sculpture has been used ad nauseum in any number of videos, even movies. So yes, Kapoor can go pound sand.
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