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Old 11-21-2018, 09:48 PM
 
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Thanksgiving has always been a fond remembrance of the English pioneers who built what would one day become the United States of America. So I guess it was inevitable, in this postmodern age, that the holiday would come under assault. Here PBS Newshour puts its seal of approval on a "growing movement" that is encouraging elementary school teachers to vilify the early settlers, stressing the diseases they brought and the massacres they committed.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4wBMKlwm5U

At 33:00, a Colorado teacher tell her kids, "So, are you guys ready to have your minds blown? So if you guys can take one thing away from social studies in 3rd grade, I want you to take away, the Pilgrims overtook the Native Americans and took everything that they had worked so hard for."

Apparently this is the current mainstream liberal view of Thanksgiving.

 
Old 11-21-2018, 09:51 PM
 
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I mean history isn’t directed by Walt Disney.

Im still gonna kill a bird and some stuffing though. Nothings gonna change that..
 
Old 11-21-2018, 09:52 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Apparently this is the current mainstream liberal view of Thanksgiving.
Well, it is actually true.

Did you know that the story you were told as a kid about how happy and buddy-buddy the Pilgrims and Indians were over turkey legs and stuffing is Fake News?

Not saying don't enjoy the day and have a good meal and be thankful for stuff, but seriously...let's not be daft to the fact that our forefathers did invade this land and systematically eradicated the inhabitants. They did. It happened. Not saying you have to apologize for it, but don't whitewash it either.
 
Old 11-21-2018, 09:59 PM
 
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How times change. Just three years ago we were told the Pilgrims were refugees and the message was to be generous to the next wave of refugees.

https://pics.me.me/happy-national-ge...s-22049915.png

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Old 11-21-2018, 10:06 PM
 
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Thanksgiving has always been a fond remembrance of the English pioneers who built what would one day become the United States of America. So I guess it was inevitable, in this postmodern age, that the holiday would come under assault. Here PBS Newshour puts its seal of approval on a "growing movement" that is encouraging elementary school teachers to vilify the early settlers, stressing the diseases they brought and the massacres they committed.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4wBMKlwm5U

At 33:00, a Colorado teacher tell her kids, "So, are you guys ready to have your minds blown? So if you guys can take one thing away from social studies in 3rd grade, I want you to take away, the Pilgrims overtook the Native Americans and took everything that they had worked so hard for."

Apparently this is the current mainstream liberal view of Thanksgiving.
Wrong. I am probably current mainstream liberal and I am excited about celebrating Thanksgiving. There are always revisionists who love to come out and say the opposite of whatever everyone else thinks. The story of the Pilgrims and the Indians is more complicated than that.

The Pilgrims wanted religious freedom. I don't think they knew much, if anything about any native population, they just wanted freedom. Furthermore, the first generation was on great terms with the Indians and it was only the second generation that fought each other. Also, the Pilgrims didn't intentionally spread diseases.

Tonight I watched a wonderful program on PBS called Pilgrims. At the end there certainly was sadness when the current Native Americans stop and think of the head of their leader (I think it was Metacomet), being chopped off and put upon a pole. They think of it as the end of their own era. That would make sense as that second generation and the settlers didn't get along at all. King Phillips War was widespread and tragic throughout New England.

But the PBS program was pretty well balanced. The Indians showed the Pilgrims how to plant crops, they formed an early alliance, they did celebrate the harvest. In balance, the Pilgrims suffered greatly, their ship went off course, they were expecting to be in Virginia, not frozen Massachusetts, most of them died the first year, but with luck and some great leaders, enough survived so that Plymouth can be said to be the first permanent settlement.

Whatever tv program you are talking about, it's just ONE nutcase teacher. Mostly that revisionist attitude does not apply. The Pilgrims were't as perfect as we were taught, but they were still exceptional people who endured a lot because of their beliefs.
 
Old 11-21-2018, 10:20 PM
 
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Most cultures have a harvest festival where they give thanks.
 
Old 11-21-2018, 10:21 PM
 
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I guess what goes around comes around. We better build that wall otherwise history might repeat itself
If that's what you glean from it, then well, I guess it flew right over your head.

Happy Thanksgiving.
 
Old 11-21-2018, 10:29 PM
 
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Well, it is actually true.

Did you know that the story you were told as a kid about how happy and buddy-buddy the Pilgrims and Indians were over turkey legs and stuffing is Fake News?

Not saying don't enjoy the day and have a good meal and be thankful for stuff, but seriously...let's not be daft to the fact that our forefathers did invade this land and systematically eradicated the inhabitants. They did. It happened. Not saying you have to apologize for it, but don't whitewash it either.
I agree with you, but anymore Thanksgiving has just become another holiday, people mainly think of gorging themselves on turkey, stuffing, etc, many people also think its a great time to spend with family...theres really no celebration of the pilgrims or what they had to go thru, people just do it for their own reasons anymore.
 
Old 11-21-2018, 10:34 PM
 
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Thanksgiving has always been a fond remembrance of the English pioneers who built what would one day become the United States of America. So I guess it was inevitable, in this postmodern age, that the holiday would come under assault. Here PBS Newshour puts its seal of approval on a "growing movement" that is encouraging elementary school teachers to vilify the early settlers, stressing the diseases they brought and the massacres they committed.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4wBMKlwm5U

At 33:00, a Colorado teacher tell her kids, "So, are you guys ready to have your minds blown? So if you guys can take one thing away from social studies in 3rd grade, I want you to take away, the Pilgrims overtook the Native Americans and took everything that they had worked so hard for."

Apparently this is the current mainstream liberal view of Thanksgiving.
They were all greedy white people who took the charity of the Natives living here before raping them, killing them, and stealing their land.

There is nothing pretty about the colonization of North America. It's high time they quit sugar coating it for children.
 
Old 11-21-2018, 10:40 PM
 
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They were all greedy white people who took the charity of the Natives living here before raping them, killing them, and stealing their land.
Poe's law is an adage of Internet culture stating that, without a clear indicator of the author's intent, it is impossible to create a parody of extreme views so obviously exaggerated that it cannot be mistaken by some readers for a sincere expression of the parodied views.
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