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Old 11-25-2018, 03:13 PM
 
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"It said in a statement that Russian border guard vessels had tried to stop the small flotilla by ramming the tug boat, causing minor damage to it in an incident it said showed Russia was behaving aggressively and illegally."

 
Old 11-25-2018, 05:55 PM
 
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I saw this on the BBC.

Russia is getting aggressive again. The Russians clearly desire to annex Luhansk, Donetsk and Zaporizhia, possibly more. They have neutered NATO with a friend in the white house, so Ukraine is completely on it's own.

I wonder at the timing.
 
Old 11-25-2018, 06:01 PM
 
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I saw this on the BBC.

Russia is getting aggressive again. The Russians clearly desire to annex Luhansk, Donetsk and Zaporizhia, possibly more. They have neutered NATO with a friend in the white house, so Ukraine is completely on it's own.

I wonder at the timing.
Please explain how Trump trying to beef up NATO is a "neutered NATO with a friend in the white house".
 
Old 11-25-2018, 06:10 PM
 
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I wonder at the timing.
Trump will be at his weakest shortly.

Then Russia, North Korea, the Iranians.

Then a global recession.
 
Old 11-25-2018, 06:12 PM
 
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Please explain how Trump trying to beef up NATO is a "neutered NATO with a friend in the white house".
Please do some reading.

Trump is not trying to "beef up" NATO. Far from it.

Trump lies and demands that NATO nations make contributions they don't owe. He is openly disdainful to leaders of NATO nations while publicly admiring Putin.

Trump has made it clear that the U.S. is an unreliable NATO partner in holding the line against Russia.
 
Old 11-25-2018, 06:15 PM
 
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Please do some reading.

Trump is not trying to "beef up" NATO. Far from it.

Trump lies and demands that NATO nations make contributions they don't owe. He is openly disdainful to leaders of NATO nations while publicly admiring Putin.

Trump has made it clear that the U.S. is an unreliable NATO partner in holding the line against Russia.
Not the job of anyone here to hold the line against russia
 
Old 11-25-2018, 06:19 PM
 
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Initially the potential problem with Russia has been created on Clinton's watch ( Bill Clinton.)
So who cares now...
 
Old 11-25-2018, 06:28 PM
 
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Obama reneged on the missile deal. That's when he told Medvedev to tell Vladimir (Putin) he'd have more flexibility after the election. Forget that Libs??? Obama was Putin's *****.
 
Old 11-25-2018, 06:40 PM
 
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Obama reneged on the missile deal. That's when he told Medvedev to tell Vladimir (Putin) he'd have more flexibility after the election. Forget that Libs??? Obama was Putin's *****.
Of course they have. their selective memory resembles Swiss cheese.
 
Old 11-25-2018, 06:50 PM
 
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Obama reneged on the missile deal. That's when he told Medvedev to tell Vladimir (Putin) he'd have more flexibility after the election. Forget that Libs??? Obama was Putin's *****.
And the left were suddenly silent.

Obama turned a blind eye to Russia's trespasses and transgressions including the Russians shooting down an airliner .

Now suddenly Trump is expected to go to war.

This really isn't any of our business as a nation. If NATO wishes to respond then by all means, each nation shoulder exactly the same burden. Dollar for dollar, tank for tank, soldier for soldier.
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