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View Poll Results: Are you happy with Trump’s deal to reopen the Federal government for 3 weeks?
I’m happy with the deal 41 36.61%
It’s ok 50 44.64%
I’m unhappy with this deal 21 18.75%
Voters: 112. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-26-2019, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Gaston, South Carolina
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Ways Trump Lost the Shutdown Battle --

Could have signed the same deal before the shutdown happened.
Did not get any money for his wall which was the reason for the shutdown
Hundreds of thousands of American citizens out of work or, worse yet, still having to go to work with no pay.
Began losing support of the Republicans in Congress
Air traffic control was undermined during shutdown
National security was undermined during the shutdown

Ways Trump Won the Shutdown Battle --

"Optics"

Am I missing something?
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Old 01-26-2019, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Gaston, South Carolina
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[b]Hundreds of thousands of American citizens out of work or, worse yet, still having to go to work with no pay.
The OP mentioned "optics" in his first post. I imagine folks not getting paid for five weeks were pretty bad optics for a lot of people
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Old 01-26-2019, 02:15 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Rofl! The lack of incidents in the air the past 18 years has been despite the tsa, not because of it.
It's not just the TSA. Um... hello? Air traffic controllers? FAA safety inspections? New airplane approvals? Anybody home up there?..:
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Old 01-26-2019, 02:17 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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All these people talking about losing are mad as hell about their 2016 butt whoppin...y’all think we don’t see it? Lol
Yeah. I guess Ann Coulter and Lou Dobbs are just 'butthurt'.
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Old 01-26-2019, 02:19 PM
 
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I guarantee you that Trump is mad as hell about his 2018 butt whoppin'. You think we don't see it? LOL.
Trump's testicles have probably receded into his groin area never to be seen again.
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Old 01-26-2019, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Trump caved because the US economy was about to crash.

Air transportation was slowing. Getting close to collapse.

From ordinary airline passengers to Fedex and UPS and US Mail. All use air transportation.

And the same will happen if there is another "next time".

It is that simple.

Trump caved because of airline transportation.
The air controllers were the straw that broke the camel's back at last. Without them, the pain and damage of the shut-down would have only worsened, and the speed of the damage would have increased.

They weren't the only reason why Trump caved in, but the air traffic controllers courageously provided the critical moment where no one could avoid the inevitable any longer.

But if Trump dares to try it again, there will always be some group of our people who will have the courage to stop it.

It could be the traffic controllers again, or some other group of federal employees. Or even the contractors who provide the government vital services.

The fact is very simple: our government is an integral part of all our lives every day. When it's up and running, we all benefit from it. When it is shut down, we all suffer.
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Old 01-26-2019, 02:40 PM
 
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The Trump shutdown really did a number on the IRS

https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/stat...62227645669378
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Old 01-26-2019, 02:42 PM
 
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Lets say you're right; time to privatize.
No one person, no one profession, no one body of degenerate politicians should be able to crash an economy.
It was getting dangerous with the air traffic controllers worrying so much they weren't sleeping at night. That is one profession where you have to be operating at 100%. It was just a matter of time before some tragedy struck.
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Old 01-26-2019, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Come back in two years...then talk...
I'll be here talking all the way up to tRump's 2020 defeat and beyond.

If he's even on the ballot next year.

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Old 01-26-2019, 02:44 PM
 
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You'd be wrong! If this is what you think then you haven't been paying attention.


This is OPTICS...Trump knows that, just as in every other instance, the Dems will think they have their way and have won. They will now feel even more powerful to reneg on wall negotiations as expected. Remember this reopening is temporary. Trump will not get the Dems to negotiate...he doesn't expect to but will seem like he's exasperated at trying.


That's when he will pull out the big guns, exclaim a national emergency at the SOTU address and show that he's done everything he could to negotiate with the spoiled brat dems and that he now has no other choice.


Enjoy the show...MAGA!
Alrighty then. Yep, he played this magnificently.
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