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In all seriousness, had Hillary won the election, this thread wouldn't even be happening! Sour grapes! The founding fathers were pretty damn smart and devised the electoral college for good reasons. Elimination of the electoral college would result in a very few states controlling the Presidency......every election. For those that complain about electing Bush and Trump due to the college, remember that Obama also got elected in between.....how did that happen? The Dems would be far better served by nominating an electable candidates who know strategy!
The liberals are arguing for one-man-one-vote. Get rid of the EC - it's relic, etc.
But then when you apply the same logic to other items, you argue against one-man-one-vote and you rely in the courts to bypass the will of the people.
So you rely on 'The Constitution" to get your leftist laws through, but you throw out the constitution when it comes to the electoral college.
Doesn't make sense.
That's why the Constitution either should be amended or as many states as are required should join in the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact. Both options are constitutional.
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In all seriousness, had Hillary won the election, this thread wouldn't even be happening! Sour grapes! The founding fathers were pretty damn smart and devised the electoral college for good reasons. Elimination of the electoral college would result in a very few states controlling the Presidency......every election. For those that complain about electing Bush and Trump due to the college, remember that Obama also got elected in between.....how did that happen? The Dems would be far better served by nominating an electable candidates who know strategy!
Obama also won the popular vote, you failed to note that...
Obama also won the popular vote, you failed to note that...
I think you missed the point. Democrats CAN win the electoral college. All you have to do is put forth a reasonable candidate that is in touch. Al Gore and Hillary was extremely poor candidates! The party could have done better!
That's why the Constitution either should be amended or as many states as are required should join in the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact. Both options are constitutional.
Actually, the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact may not be Constitutional. The Constitution sets out specific ways it can be amended. The National Popular Vote Interstate Compact in effect amends the Constitution, but not in any of the ways the Constitution specifies. If and when the Compact should garner enough support to go into effect, it will be challenged legally. And it will be up to the courts to determine if the Constitution can be amended by this method.
Actually, the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact may not be Constitutional. The Constitution sets out specific ways it can be amended. The National Popular Vote Interstate Compact in effect amends the Constitution, but not in any of the ways the Constitution specifies. If and when the Compact should garner enough support to go into effect, it will be challenged legally. And it will be up to the courts to determine if the Constitution can be amended by this method.
And it will wind up in the supreme court where it will be laughed out of existence.
Regardless it’s time to get rid of The electoral college system .
No, it isn't. That would only serve to push the US toward a unitary State with an all-powerful federal government, which is exactly what the Constitution is designed to prevent.
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Not really, I don't support the superdelegates
Your Party does. It has a habit of talking out of both sides of its neck.
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No, it isn't. That would only serve to push the US toward a unitary State with an all-powerful federal government, which is exactly what the Constitution is designed to prevent.
Your Party does. It has a habit of talking out of both sides of its neck.
Actually, the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact may not be Constitutional. The Constitution sets out specific ways it can be amended. The National Popular Vote Interstate Compact in effect amends the Constitution, but not in any of the ways the Constitution specifies. If and when the Compact should garner enough support to go into effect, it will be challenged legally. And it will be up to the courts to determine if the Constitution can be amended by this method.
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And it will wind up in the supreme court where it will be laughed out of existence.
The Constitution permits the states to apportion their electors however they choose, so the compact isn't violating the Constitution. Accordingly, BeerGeek, I think a reverse finding from what you predict is much more likely should this be taken to the Supreme Court.
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No, it isn't. That would only serve to push the US toward a unitary State with an all-powerful federal government, which is exactly what the Constitution is designed to prevent.
This is pure hyperbole. All the popular vote does is ensure that every citizen gets an equal say in electing the President regardless of their geographic location.
The Constitution permits the states to apportion their electors however they choose, so the compact isn't violating the Constitution. Accordingly, BeerGeek, I think a reverse finding from what you predict is much more likely should this be taken to the Supreme Court.
Just like they shut down the recounts in 2000. They will probably make a ruling that all states have to count the votes in the same manner. Otherwise the equal protection clause has been violated.
Look it up.
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