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Well, yes, sort of. I think what a lot of people are forgetting is that all the premiums, partial-premiums, and so on that their employer pays right now, would disappear under single-payer. This would automatically raise their pay. Not having to pay for healthcare would allow employers to hire more employees, and expand the economy.
If that's not enough, then how about this: no co-pays, no deductibles for patients at point of service? Parents, your kids could be seen without you having to put down a credit card. Adult kids, your parents could be seen by a doctor without anybody having to put down a credit card. That's what we enjoy here in Canada.
Before you say, "Oh, Canada has extremely high taxes for that," nobody here in Canada is hurting because of taxes. We buy homes. we buy RVs, we buy second vacation homes, we buy huge pickup trucks that guzzle fuel, we buy snowmobiles just for S & G. We consume, much like Americans; we are not socialist; and our health care, provided as it is by private practitioners through private hospitals, is hardly government-run. There are no "death panels," and never will be.
Why Americans cannot see the advantages of this system puzzles me. There's got to be more to it than, "I'm all right, Jack; I got mine, so you're on you're own." Why are Americans so opposed to single-payer health insurance?
You are preaching to the choir. What was it about my post that led you to believe I do not support single payer or some other method of UHC? I do, and always have. In fact, I have made some of the same arguments you now present.
Single Payer, Socialized Medicine, Medicare for all, "Free" health care, etc. All the same-taxpayer funded health care. I see a whole lot of liberals promoting this-including those that should be smart enough to know better that have been elected to congress. So-how much more are YOU, personally, willing to pay in taxes to fund "free" health care?
The question is phrased incorrectly.
The USA pays 17.9 of GDP on healthcare.
ALL other countries pay less or much less of GDP on healthcare.
But I even wonder if folks reading here actually know what GDP means OR don't even care.
Not free. Universal thru payroll tax. Get rid of private insurance for base level care. Copays and deductibles a must. Say 2K per person per year hospitalization deductible.
Nothing will work until big pharma is prevented from their monopolistic practices. Big hospitals the same.
A single payer system cannot support Phizer making billions in profits every quarter as an example. The only way it would work is nationalize the entire medical INDUSTRY and make it back into the medical arts which it was always intended to be.
They have turned our healthcare into a lucrative business.
A single payer system cannot support Phizer making billions in profits every quarter as an example. The only way it would work is nationalize the entire medical INDUSTRY and make it back into the medical arts which it was always intended to be.
They have turned our healthcare into a lucrative business.
Phizer and other drug companies, insurance company’s and corporate medical facilities all will have to go away. Billions in stock value and hundreds of thousands of jobs will be on the line if single payer comes. This is the biggest problem with going to this system. The shock all this would cause the economy could send us into a very deep recession or even a depression.
As far as what single payer would cost us who knows. There is no proposals put forth and no analysis by the congressional budget office that would lay out the cost of single payer. We all probably agree that we pay way too much for the system we have now. No one can honestly answer how much a new system would cost without a concrete proposal. Both parties should be doing that now, but considering the republicans had years to do that during the Obama care arguments and had nothing to replace it with I wouldn’t hold my breath. Congress is not capable of such a large endeavor, incompetence reigns supreme on both sides.
It would cost around $1.5 trillion, but it would not have to come from military budget. The government is already spending a LOT in healthcare, so it is not $1.5 trillion in addition to what we already pay. And currently we pay about $10 000 out of out own pockets in premiums, co-pays and deductibles, so in the end of the day we would not see any less in our paychecks. On the contrary we would probably see more.
This is what the OP is missing. For a single male, between myself and my employer, it's around $6-7k/year. Much rather have that money going into a single payer system than some for-profit "insurance" company.
It's not costing "more", rather moving funds from a corporation to a single-payer pool.
I get a pretty good laugh at people that think the democrats don't sell out to big pharma, and the insurance industry.
Who do you think wrote the Obamacare bill?
Do you know that all military, and DHS funding is around $600 billion?
Do you know that a single payer system would cost in the trillions?
You could take the entire military, and DHS funding, and only put a small dent in the cost of single payer.
"Entire" military and all associated expenses are well over 1 trillion. Nobody in this world (not sure what they do on Mars) spends anything close to this amount.
About the cost of a single payer. It is becoming rather tiring to provide free 1st grade math lessons so I'll go ahead and copy one of my previous posts:
Of course there is no reason for the 3 trillion number, considering that currently (2017) Medicare spending is about 700 billion/year and while it covers only 15% or so of the population, this is the oldest fraction requiring much more health spending per capita (3 times higher than working age, 5 times or so higher than children).
BTW, the current total NHE (2017) is 3.5 trillion.
Now, assume percentage of children at about 25%, and use the above numbers. Le me know, what you get.
Hint: the answer is quite smaller than the current total NHE listed above.
The out of pocket needs to be accounted for, but not going to change things too much considering that the current total out of pocket is about 10% of NHE.
Single Payer, Socialized Medicine, Medicare for all, "Free" health care, etc. All the same-taxpayer funded health care. I see a whole lot of liberals promoting this-including those that should be smart enough to know better that have been elected to congress. So-how much more are YOU, personally, willing to pay in taxes to fund "free" health care?
And NO-you can't pass the buck by saying "tax the rich"-the rich already pay most of the taxes in this country. How much are YOU willing to contribute? How much will you cut from your budget? What will you do without? If you don't currently have a job-or enough extra-you'll have to get one or another job to pay your share.
Once you exclude what your employer pays, your contribution, and your co-pay, you have come close to paying for UHC already. You will be able to get a raise in your pay to offset the extra taxes, and Business can get back to the business of business and out of health care altogether. I would think that employers would be chomping at the bit to participate.
I would be willing to contribute at least as much as the GOP spent giving 'tax cuts' to the 1%ers. If we could afford that., we can afford UHC.
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