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Old 02-09-2019, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Somewhere flat in Mississippi
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Old 02-09-2019, 04:13 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Well that's not true. The law says for any reason on any baby. The woman's health can mean anything. She just needs to say she isn't mentally ready.
You know what's not true? ^^^^ That. That's not true.
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Old 02-09-2019, 04:18 PM
 
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Wow, this is the most egregiously incorrect interpretation of the law I've seen. Is it that you simply haven't bothered to read it ? When you find out the extent of your error, will you acknowledge that allowing for killing full term healthy babies is a bad thing?
Another anti-choicer that apparently does not understand what NON-VIABLE means or chooses to ignore the facts.
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What the law says

The RHA permits abortions when — according to a medical professional’s “reasonable and good faith professional judgment based on the facts of the patient’s case” — “the patient is within twenty-four weeks from the commencement of pregnancy, or there is an absence of fetal viability, or the abortion is necessary to protect the patient’s life or health.”

In other words, women may choose to have an abortion prior to 24 weeks; pregnancies typically range from 38 to 42 weeks. After 24 weeks, such decisions must be made with a determination that there is an “absence of fetal viability” or that the procedure is “necessary to protect the patient’s life or health.” That determination must be made by a “health care practitioner licensed, certified, or authorized” under state law, “acting within his or her lawful scope of practice.”

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/02/ad...-abortion-law/
Cannot be any clearer or perhaps as you throw stones at others you were the one who failed to educate yourself on the law.

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Old 02-09-2019, 04:51 PM
 
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Another anti-choicer that apparently does not understand what NON-VIABLE means or chooses to ignore the facts.
Cannot be any clearer or perhaps as you throw stones at others you were the one who failed to educate yourself on the law.
I'm starting to believe that every forced-birther in this thread is incapable of even seeing the word non-viable. It's like they have a blind spot every time that term comes up. There can be no other explanation for why they consistently ignore it.

Well, other than willfully ignoring it, but that would be disingenuous. They wouldn't be purposely playing ignorant, would they???
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Old 02-09-2019, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Marquette, Mich
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Wow, this is the most egregiously incorrect interpretation of the law I've seen. Is it that you simply haven't bothered to read it ? When you find out the extent of your error, will you acknowledge that allowing for killing full term healthy babies is a bad thing?

It is not an incorrect interpretation. It is the correct interpretation. You can't cut out all the words and have it mean something it doesn't. After 24 weeks, there are certain conditions that must be met. They are that the fetus is NOT VIABLE or that the health/life of the mother is at risk.



Do you believe legions of women are wanting to get pregnant, carry a fetus to term, and abort it? That's not a thing! Have there been cases in the whole history of mankind where someone wanted to do just this? Probably, because people suck. But it is not the norm, nor will it ever be. Carrying a baby to term is HARD. And inducing a birth or performing a c-section (which is how a near full-term fetus would be delivered) is kind of a big deal.
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Old 02-09-2019, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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I'm starting to believe that every forced-birther in this thread is incapable of even seeing the word non-viable. It's like they have a blind spot every time that term comes up. There can be no other explanation for why they consistently ignore it.

Well, other than willfully ignoring it, but that would be disingenuous. They wouldn't be purposely playing ignorant, would they???
More like outright lying because the truth does not support their anti-choice agenda.

Without lies they don't have a leg to stand on and they know it.

One good thing about threads like these is that they expose their blatant lies and help get the truth out there.

Anyone on the fence will do a little research and those lies will become apparent.
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Old 02-09-2019, 05:44 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Wow, this is the most egregiously incorrect interpretation of the law I've seen. Is it that you simply haven't bothered to read it ? When you find out the extent of your error, will you acknowledge that allowing for killing full term healthy babies is a bad thing?
The law does not allow "killing full term healthy babies". It allows termination of fetuses that are doomed to die anyway due to lethal birth defects.

It also allows for withholding extraordinary efforts to keep those babies alive after they are born if such efforts are 100% futile.

"Full term healthy babies" that are unwanted will be placed in the care of family and children's services and placed in foster care and then for adoption.

Babies with anomalies that are not lethal will receive appropriate care. They can be placed for adoption, too, if the parents decide that is what is best for their families.

If the mother needs early delivery for her own health, every effort will be made to help healthy fetuses survive. However, some will not, and the law means that a doctor performing such a delivery will not be charged with doing an illegal abortion.

Please quote the language in the actual law that states anything different from what I have posted, not anti-abortion rhetoric that invents an interpretation of the law.
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Old 02-09-2019, 06:40 PM
 
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I think I've figured it out, thanks! Unfortunately, unwanted pregnancies can still occur and no sane person is going to be celibate, which is why safe, legal abortion remains an important option for women.
Not true, some people do have self-control and some only have sex after marriage when they want a baby.

The big lie of PP, we are just animals who can't wait so they will help by teaching sex to younger and younger ages plus telling the kids to come for an abortion if they have an oops, which most will.
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Old 02-09-2019, 06:42 PM
 
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https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2...x873J7IzSCDHG8

---Aborted Baby's Heart Beating as His Face is Cut Open and His Brain is Removed---

<< In an undercover video released Wednesday, a former technician for a tissue-harvesting company details how an aborted baby was kept alive so that its heart could be harvested at a California Planned Parenthood facility, raising more legal questions about the group’s practices.
<< Holly O’Donnell, a former blood and tissue procurement technician for the biotech startup StemExpress, also said she was asked to harvest an intact brain from the late-term, male fetus whose heart was still beating after the abortion.

<< A StemExpress supervisor “gave me the scissors and told me that I had to cut down the middle of the face. And I can’t even describe what that feels like,” said Ms. O’Donnell, who has been featured in earlier videos by the Center for Medical Progress, a pro-life group that previously had released six undercover clips involving Planned Parenthood personnel and practices.

<< David Daleiden, the video project leader, said the undercover footage and interviews show that fetuses are sometimes delivered “intact and alive” before their organs are harvested.

<< The federal Born-Alive Infants Protection Act of 2002 says that when a child is born alive, including having a beating heart, he or she is a legal person and has a right to lifesaving medical care.

*<< California law also prohibits any kind of experimentation on a fetus with a discernible heartbeat, said the Center for Medical Progress, which is calling for the federal government to cease its $500 million a year support to Planned Parenthood and for it to be investigated.

<< “Today’s video is especially gruesome, and it shows, once again, the barbarity of what takes place at Planned Parenthood clinics across the country,” said Rep. Joseph R. Pitts, Pennsylvania Republican and chairman of the House Energy and Commerce subcommittee on health, one of several congressional panels investigating Planned Parenthood.>>
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Old 02-09-2019, 06:46 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Not true, some people do have self-control and some only have sex after marriage when they want a baby.

The big lie of PP, we are just animals who can't wait so they will help by teaching sex to younger and younger ages plus telling the kids to come for an abortion if they have an oops, which most will.
So married people are celibate when they do not want to make a baby? That is news to me!

Your second statement needs a source.
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