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Old 01-30-2019, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Wolves were brought back to an area they had been hunted out. The wolves killed elk. The over population of elk was pruned back by the wolves. Grass and small trees the elk had been eating grew back. The change in vegetation bolstered the eco system for many small mammals and birds of prey. Sediments began to collect around rivers where new vegetation came back. Rivers changed course. Simply because wolves came back.


Now if a wolf coming back can change entire environments, tell me what man can do with plastics piling up in land fills and the ocean. What man can do by polluting entire lakes and rivers. What man can do by damming up virtually every river in North America. What man can do by paving over a significant portion of the landscape.


Surely we are a speck on the scale of time and its arguable what mans impact will be on the Earth in 10,000 years. It may be small in terms of a molten rock hurtling through space. It may not be so small when it comes to human survival.
Hold on a second -- if you're talking the need to curtail pollution, to recycle, to not be wasteful, and to be a good to the environment, you are going to get no argument from me.


My argument is strictly with the climate change issue.
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Old 01-30-2019, 02:52 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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If the culprit is human activity what is the solution?
* Ban cars?
* Ban air travel (except for the elites of course)?
* No more manufacturing?
* No more electronics?
Except of course for the very entitled elite.
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Old 01-30-2019, 02:55 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Yeah..... and "they" also claimed that we would have more and more hurricanes and more severe hurricanes due to the same global warming. And what happened? After 2005 which was a big year for hurricanes.....the next 12 years or so had LESS hurricanes and LESS SEVERE hurricanes.


Keep throwing darts -- eventually you'll hit something.
The tables on this site don't confirm your claim:
https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/tropi...clones/201713/
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Old 01-30-2019, 02:59 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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What is really amazing is, these deniers have no background in any of the sciences related to this subject, but they still refuse to accept that the people who do almost 100% say we need to change what we are doing or things are not going to go well.


Sometimes I feel like we are trying to educate people who are unable to learn, or unwilling to learn. But, you have to look at who they voted for, that says a lot.
Did Gore or Suzuki have a "background in any of the sciences related to this subject"?
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Old 01-30-2019, 02:59 PM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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Nope its more like let's progress away from fossil fuels to a better technology.
How do you propose we keep all the cars going and all the planes flying using less fossil fuels without it becoming prohibitively expensive? What if this doesn't happen in the next few decades?

We better say bye bye to modern life. That's what this is really all about, isn't it?
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Old 01-30-2019, 03:01 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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If the culprit is human activity what is the solution?
* Ban cars?
* Ban air travel (except for the elites of course)?
* No more manufacturing?
* No more electronics?
Our minister of the environment said yesterday that people should not buy diesel-powered cars anymore as they would lose most of their value within 4 to 5 years as the government is pushing electric cars. There was a huge uproar in the car industry
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Old 01-30-2019, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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If the culprit is human activity what is the solution?
* Ban cars?
* Ban air travel (except for the elites of course)?
* No more manufacturing?
* No more electronics?
Option E, give more money and power to politicians to “fix” it. This is the liberal philoshy. Ofcourse Congress will still have their gas guzzling SUVs and private jets, but they won’t admit that.

This notion that we must waste taxpayer money and votes on costly programs to “change the weather” is another scam for politicians to retain more power.

“Vote for me, I can change the weather, our country is at risk!”

Heat wave during summer = Man made climate change
Deadly artic blast polar vortex = just normal weather
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Old 01-30-2019, 03:09 PM
 
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Interesting how no one had an issue with doing away with old AC systems in order to stop the widening of our thin protective ozone layer.
Incorrect. Millions of homeowners had to junk perfectly good systems because they could no longer be repaired.
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Old 01-30-2019, 03:13 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Option E, give more money and power to politicians to “fix” it. This is the liberal philoshy. Ofcourse Congress will still have their gas guzzling SUVs and private jets, but they won’t admit that.

This notion that we must waste taxpayer money and votes on costly programs to “change the weather” is another scam for politicians to retain more power.

“Vote for me, I can change the weather, our country is at risk!”

Heat wave during summer = Man made climate change
Deadly artic blast polar vortex = just normal weather
Ideally it is people themselves that bring about change, by buying extremely efficient small cars, using the AC as little as possible, staying at home rather than flying away on vacation, etc.

And no, as it says in the link I posted earlier, the current polar snap is also due to global warming, specifically due to the rapidly warming poles, not normal weather.
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Old 01-30-2019, 03:16 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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Ideally it is people themselves that bring about change, by buying extremely efficient small cars, using the AC as little as possible, staying at home rather than flying away on vacation, etc.

And no, as it says in the link I posted earlier, the current polar snap is also due to global warming, specifically due to the rapidly warming poles, not normal weather.
Was that true during the Valley Forge winter as well?
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