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View Poll Results: Who does the money you have legally earned belong to?
The society 3 2.22%
The government 10 7.41%
You 117 86.67%
I don’t know. 5 3.70%
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Old 01-29-2019, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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When arguing against freedom, opponents want pat answers to every scenario they can imagine, but refuse to use that same imagination to consider that there might be multiple alternatives or solutions not yet thought of or developed. Who could have imagined/forseen careers such as web designer, code writer, radiologist, nuclear engineer, etc. a hundred years ago? But yet we are expected to answer the questions right now or its NO SALE.
Damn this is a great post worded perfectly.

I don't know if you went to government schools Frank, but if so, they did ya right.

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Old 01-29-2019, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Actually the Whiskey Rebellion is probably the first large scale documented violation.

Started 1791, the US Constitution was ratified 1788, so three years. There may have been earlier examples that were smaller and less documented, but that's the first major violation.
I've visited the site of the Whiskey Rebellion. It's a surreal experience. You think about how we are sold this great American ideal of freedom, democracy, liberty, etc and then you realize less than 3 years later this incident occurred.

Interestingly enough, one of the major complaints of the "rebels" was that the tax was only payable in cash (imagine that...just what I have been talking about over and over again in this thread) which was very rare at that time and place.

If you're ever in the Pittsburgh area I highly recommend it.
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Old 01-29-2019, 01:31 PM
 
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I spotted this joke.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's new 1040EZ tax form will only have two lines:

How much money did you make?
Send it in.
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Old 01-29-2019, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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So if you're not bound to the land you are born on, why did Boris Johnson receive an IRS demand for the sale of his London Residence?

He was born in the US (Upper East Side) to a British father studying at Columbia, thus he is a US citizen from Birth. He only lived in the US from June to September 1964. That's hardly remaining on US soil, or affirmatively accepting citizenship.

Methinks this is a perfect illustration of No_Recess signing the Social Contract on exit of the birth canal.

It also sounds largely like a bunch of bunk masquerading as some form of justification.

ETA:
You have to apply to renounce citizenship, there are a number if disqualifying conditions including renouncing for tax purposes. Yet further you're taxed by the US Gov. Even when non-resident, so thus completely debunking your paragraph quoted.
Wherever you go, there the State is.

Johnson was 4-months old when he left. I suppose "goo-goo-ga -ga" was the verbal affirmation he muttered to accept his citizenship.

From this point forward I shall consent to all of my contracts in this manner. Let's see how she flies.

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Old 01-29-2019, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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The landlord legitimately acquired the property. The state, like the mafia, just asserts that people living in “their” territory owe them.

“It would be a real shame if you didn’t pay us what we’re owed...wouldn’t want anything bad to happen to this fine establishment now would ya?”
Don't forget to pound your fist into your (other) open hand and give the target a little bit of the "stink eye" as you make your demand...err...request.
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Old 01-29-2019, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Having looked into it, I think the closest an individual can get to being free of forced tribute is living aboard an ocean voyage capable boat, and docking only in locations that do not require live-aboards to pay personal property tax. You can actually avoid almost all property and income taxation that way, assuming you know all the rules for how many days you can be in any location before you are considered a taxable resident.

Not too many other ways to own your shelter outright and not have to pay (semi)annual tribute simply because you and your shelter exist within a specific geography.
I'm not quite sure about this as but you could be right.

I know here in SoCal you can live on a boat in Marina Del Rey as they are for sale/rent all the time. There are a ton of regulations/fees/licenses involved but that could be a California thing. Wiping your rear after a bowel movement requires a government form...filled out in triplicate...in this crazy place.
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Old 01-29-2019, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Simple question, stupid answer!!
Just cuz ya don't unnerstan it, don't mean its dum.

y'all...

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Old 01-29-2019, 02:46 PM
 
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What gives a private police force or more importantly a private court system it's authority that everyone recognizes? How would a private court system even work? Would defendants have to pay the court in criminal cases, with extended sentences doing hard labor if they don't have the money or assets to pay the bill? Have you really thought these things out?
I’d ask you the same thing. Ever actually looked into all the people who have spoken or written about it? From past experience, I already know you’re one of the people I mentioned in my post, so I expect you aren’t actually interested in the possibility of it.

Here’s a starting point...

https://mises.org/library/possibility-private-law
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Old 01-29-2019, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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I’d ask you the same thing. Ever actually looked into all the people who have spoken or written about it? From past experience, I already know you’re one of the people I mentioned in my post, so I expect you aren’t actually interested in the possibility of it.

Here’s a starting point...

https://mises.org/library/possibility-private-law
I know Mises views on private law enforcement, and they are pure fantasy. They wouldn't work in the real world. Mises was a hack
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Old 01-29-2019, 02:53 PM
 
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I know Mises views on private law enforcement, and they are pure fantasy. They wouldn't work in the real world. Mises was a hack
Okay then...
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