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This is the problem debating with an anarchist, they ignore the point by looking at things literally, and fail to see the nuanced, reasoned, proverbial perspective that is being presented. You need a big gun to enforce anarchism. You walk the anarchist point-by-point to this conclusion, and they respond like you have. You just ignore the point, or pretend not to comprehend it. They magically think corrupt forces will somehow leave them alone in their anarchist utopia, and wont need rule of law, or a big gun to enforce the doctrine. Anarchy becomes capitalism. Unfettered capitalism is anarchy, and people become oppressed. The only difference now is there is big gun enforcing some basic principals of anarchism. That's not say capitalistic societies has the pitfall of becoming to to fascist/socialist...to which democracy, at least in the US, has the 2nd amendment.
I don’t think anyone ignored it. It’s not magic. We want a large enough percentage of people to share our view that only defensive force is justified, and then WE have the big gun to defend against those of you who want to use offensive force against us.
The currency belongs to the owner, the government. The person owns their labor, and sell it for that currency to use on other things, or they can sell their labor for other goods/services.
I'm allowed to pay taxes with an alternative currency that has no recognized exchange rate with the U.S. dollar?
I don’t think anyone ignored it. It’s not magic. We want a large enough percentage of people to share our view that only defensive force is justified, and then WE have the big gun to defend against those of you who want to use offensive force against us.
And let's be real...only a few of these statists have the guts to do their own robbing, raping, and killing firsthand.
They contract it out in their social contract and wash their hands of the mess. I couldn't begin to personally kill all the people I've contracted to have killed through the social contract. I'd have to live 5 million lifetimes to accomplish that.
Ok firstly serfdom wasn't an exchange, you were a serf, there wasn't a choice.
You couldn't do a simple google search?
"In medieval Europe, roughly from 800 until 1200 A.D., the centralized power of the Roman Empire had disappeared, and Europe consisted of small farming villages scattered all over the place, with only a few small cities here and there.The roads connecting villages were crude and unprotected. Not only could robbers attack travelers, but from time to time nomadic warriors from Northern Europe – the Vikings – would invade and rape, pillage and plunder the villages. In this situation, landlords came to the rescue all across Europe. In principle, each landlord “owned” all the farming land in a village and the forest around it. But their primary job was to be warriors – sometimes we call them “knights” – to protect their villagers. The villagers’ primary job was to farm the land and produce food. In this medieval farming economy, a form of barter became established between the landlord and his serfs, the name for village farmers. In exchange for protection, each serf owed his landlord a fixed portion of the crop yield from the farmland that he occupied usually for his lifetime. That fixed portion (food, not money) was the serf’s “rent,” and the rent literally fed the lord and his household. We now see the historical origin of the term “landlord.”
There isn't a choice in the illusory modern contract either, we can't opt out, and contract is the wrong term, because you don't have to agree (like any actual tangible contract). It's entirely fiction. Like the Bible, Q'ran or Mahabharata.
"Opting out" was precisely the way of the Red Revolution.
( Or any other upheavals of this kind.)
If people still remain under a yoke after such upheavals - that's precisely because of the existence of the higher power - the one the existence of which you deny.
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It's the Emperors New Clothes, it only exists as long as people agree it's a brilliant Emerald Color and resembles Elvis Las Vegas suit. Personally I only see some skin and hair and unmentionables, hey but you go, enjoy the Elvis Suit.
It's not about the "enjoyment," but probably a better knowledge of the subject?
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The foundational beliefs aren't which you can see in my quote. They exist with as much reality as the social contract. You dance very well, but you still dance.
Hey, at least I dance.
You are not moving anywhere with your explanations.
The currency belongs to the owner, the government. The person owns their labor, and sell it for that currency to use on other things, or they can sell their labor for other goods/services.
Do you mean dollars? Bitcoin isn’t owned by the government...cigarettes are currency in prison...lots of other examples, so I assume you mean the US dollar.
The dollar is a federal reserve note, issued by the Federal Reserve, a private central bank.
Either way, the value the currency represents should belong to whoever produced it, which isn’t the FED or the government.
And let's be real...only a few of these statists have the guts to do their own robbing, raping, and killing firsthand.
They contract it out in their social contract and wash their hands of the mess. I couldn't begin to personally kill all the people I've contracted to have killed through the social contract. I'd have to live 5 million lifetimes to accomplish that.
Yep, and that’s why there’s hope. Most people wouldn’t feel justified in doing it themselves, and most of the few remaining percentage points wouldn’t want to risk the consequences even if they felt no guilt over it. That leaves a tiny percentage of legitimate criminals that are massively outnumbered.
Do you mean dollars? Bitcoin isn’t owned by the government...cigarettes are currency in prison...lots of other examples, so I assume you mean the US dollar.
The dollar is a federal reserve note, issued by the Federal Reserve, a private central bank.
Either way, the value the currency represents should belong to whoever produced it, which isn’t the FED or the government.
No, all currency has a terms of use determined by the owner, i.e. bitcoins terms is the non-central system they've created, the system is the owner, per say, and determines the terms of use. The possessor of a bitcoin only uses it to barter. You have to accept those terms of use in order to use it. Currency is a tool. The ignorance is, anarchist wants use someone's currency, but does not want to ascribe to the terms of use for that currency, violating their own moral principals. You can go live in the woods and hunt squirrels, then trade the skins for another good or services, and not pay taxes, and keep complete control when it comes to the value of your labor. If they consent to use someone's currency to pay them for their labor, they say it's theft when the terms of use for that currency calls for taxes. Socialist/Marxist/Communist, on the other hand, have no problem imposing their terms of use for the currency on other people without their consent, the people do not have a choice.
Yep, and that’s why there’s hope. Most people wouldn’t feel justified in doing it themselves, and most of the few remaining percentage points wouldn’t want to risk the consequences even if they felt no guilt over it. That leaves a tiny percentage of legitimate criminals that are massively outnumbered.
It's something I must begrudgingly respect about my peers growing up in one of the State's ghettos: they did their own dirty work. If you weren't willing to do your own dirty work you weren't taken seriously.
Maybe we should apply that to the "civilized" gangsters in this thread (aka the statists) who contract out their misdeeds. Do your own dirty work and we'll at least take you seriously in your beliefs.
No, all currency has a terms of use determined by the owner, i.e. bitcoins case is the non-central system they've created. You have to accept those terms of use in order to use it. Currency is a tool. The ignorance is, anarchist wants use someone's currency, but does not want to ascribe to the terms of use for that currency, violating their own moral principals. You can go live in the woods and hunt squirrels, then trade the skins for another good or services, and not pay taxes, and keep complete control when it comes to the value of your labor. If they consent to use someone's currency to pay them for their labor, they say it's theft when the terms of use for that currency calls for taxes. Socialist/Marxist/Communist, on the other hand, have no problem imposing their terms of use for the currency on other people without their consent.
My off grid friends in Vermont have only one need for the U.S. dollar - paying their tribute to the State. The U.S. dollar has no value in their everyday life. NONE.
Sorry, you'll have to start from that reality. Unless you're saying they can avoid those property taxes without facing one of your goons threatening to cage them.
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