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The Social Contract is a fairy tale people cling to in the hope it's real, but evidence is non-existent of its existence.
Well, "Social contract" is a very real thing actually, now when I think about it.
"Social contract" is what ruling class arranges with the rest of population, pointing at the benefits that the general population receives in exchange for the minuses of providing for the upper class. Like, say, back in medieval times, when in exchange for serfdom, the landlords were supposed to provide the protection for their subjects, in case of the military attacks.
Likewise, the Soviet government was guaranteeing free healthcare/pensions/housing/salaries to its general population in exchange of complying with the ideology the government was enforcing onto the general population.
Likewise, the "New Deal" F. Roosevelt came up with, in order to get American capitalism going after a painful crash of the system.
No, of course these are all the examples of the Social contracts.
It's when the social contracts are not updated accordingly or they outlive their usefulness, the big changes/upheavals are coming.
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All religions are fairy tales people cling to in the hope they're real, but evidence is non existent to their foundational beliefs existing.
They're exactly the same class of thought. Hence the metaphor.
I beg you pardon, but religions are VERY real; otherwise there would have been no such striking difference between Islamic world and the Christendom. ( Just an example.)
I remember the day I consented to the social contract.
Flew out of a birthing canal and agreed to not fish in my local lake between October and April.
Now that was one helluva day.
I hope that flight through the birthing canal didn't impair your thinking to the point that you can sue the powers that be, for signing the non-fishing agreement.
Well, "Social contract" is a very real thing actually, now when I think about it.
"Social contract" is what ruling class arranges with the rest of population, pointing at the benefits that the general population receives in exchange for the minuses of providing for the upper class. Like, say, back in medieval times, when in exchange for serfdom, the landlords were supposed to provide the protection for their subjects, in case of the military attacks.
Likewise, the Soviet government was guaranteeing free healthcare/pensions/housing/salaries to its general population in exchange of complying with the ideology the government was enforcing onto the general population.
Likewise, the "New Deal" F. Roosevelt came up with, in order to get American capitalism going after a painful crash of the system.
No, of course these are all the examples of the Social contracts.
It's when the social contracts are not updated accordingly or they outlive their usefulness, the big changes/upheavals are coming.
Really? It's real?
Ok firstly serfdom wasn't an exchange, you were a serf, there wasn't a choice. There isn't a choice in the illusory modern contract either, we can't opt out, and contract is the wrong term, because you don't have to agree (like any actual tangible contract). It's entirely fiction. Like the Bible, Q'ran or Mahabharata.
It's the Emperors New Clothes, it only exists as long as people agree it's a brilliant Emerald Color and resembles Elvis Las Vegas suit. Personally I only see some skin and hair and unmentionables, hey but you go, enjoy the Elvis Suit.
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I beg you pardon, but religions are VERY real; otherwise there would have been no such striking difference between Islamic world and the Christendom. ( Just an example.)
The foundational beliefs aren't which you can see in my quote. They exist with as much reality as the social contract. You dance very well, but you still dance.
Of course you don't. You're a perfect example of modern society. If someone refuses to comply force them to comply.
You're making my case.
This is the problem debating with an anarchist, they ignore the point by looking at things literally, and fail to see the nuanced, reasoned, proverbial perspective that is being presented. You need a big gun to enforce anarchism. You walk the anarchist point-by-point to this conclusion, and they respond like you have. You just ignore the point, or pretend not to comprehend it. They magically think corrupt forces will somehow leave them alone in their anarchist utopia, and wont need rule of law, or a big gun to enforce the doctrine. Anarchy becomes capitalism. Unfettered capitalism is anarchy, and people become oppressed. The only difference now is there is big gun enforcing some basic principals of anarchism. That's not say capitalistic societies has the pitfall of becoming to to fascist/socialist...to which democracy, at least in the US, has the 2nd amendment.
I hope that flight through the birthing canal didn't impair your thinking to the point that you can sue the powers that be, for signing the non-fishing agreement.
It was a rough day I'm sure.
I have no recourse.
I first consented by being born and now consent due to my geographic location on earth. Even if I try to escape a State may kidnap and imprison me -
This is the problem debating with an anarchist, they ignore the point by looking at things literally, and fail to see the nuanced, reasoned, proverbial perspective that is being presented. You need a big gun to enforce anarchism. You walk the anarchist point-by-point to this conclusion, and they respond like you have. You just ignore the point, or pretend not to comprehend it. They magically think corrupt forces will somehow leave them alone in their anarchist utopia, and wont need rule of law, or a big gun to enforce the doctrine. Anarchy becomes capitalism. Unfettered capitalism is anarchy, and people become oppressed. The only difference now is there is big gun enforcing some basic principals of anarchism. That's not say capitalistic societies has the pitfall of becoming to to fascist/socialist...to which democracy, at least in the US, has the 2nd amendment.
LMAO.
Yeah, the problem with us damn anarchists is that we have actual principles. You're right there.
Simple question is right. So are agenda driven threads. The money belongs to you and the government in the form of taxes. Our tax dollars then in turn belong to society. What's fair and equitable regarding how those tax dollars are obtained and spent is open to debate.
Simple question is right. So are agenda driven threads. The money belongs to you and the government in the form of taxes. Our tax dollars then in turn belong to society. What's fair and equitable regarding how those tax dollars are obtained and spent is open to debate.
The currency belongs to the owner, the government. The person owns their labor, and sell it for that currency to use on other things, or they can sell their labor for other goods/services.
I think majority of that money belongs to me, but a percentage belongs to the society because let's be fair, we cannot survive without other people because we are social animals.
Yes, you do need to pay taxes.
It's amazing how people managed to live for thousands of years without taxing people - in fact, there are still tribes out there, untouched by governments, who don't pay taxes, and they have survived. Guniger gave a list of countries that don't even tax their people.
The problem comes in when we allow a government to control us and get bloated to the point that we can't even tell the difference between freedom and socialism anymore.
Government spending, both local and federal, is out of control. So much of what the federal government spends money on was never their job in the first place. The federal government is supposed to be made up of servants, public servants, SERVANTS who protect this country, first and foremost, and take care of infrastructure. Their job is not to hand out welfare, healthcare, social security, etc or even be involved in the minimum wage. That's all socialist crap.
Local government, it goes like this:
"We have a budget of 1.5 million dollars. We've only spent 1 million. We have to spend the other $500,000 on something or we won't get the budget that we ask for next year."
Next year:
"We have a budget of 1.5 million dollars. We've only spent 1 million. We have to spend the other $500,000 on something or we won't get the budget that we ask for next year."
Next year - they ask for $500,000 more because the $500,000 that they spent on frivolous crap just to spend their budget has become the norm, so now they need even more money:
"We have a budget of 2 million dollars. We've only spent 1.5 million. We have to spend the other $500,000 on something or we won't get the budget that we ask for next year."
Next year:
"We have a budget of 2 million dollars. We've only spent 1.5 million. We have to spend the other $500,000 on something or we won't get the budget that we ask for next year."
Next year - they ask for another million more because the extra million that they spent on frivolous crap just to spend their budget has become norm, so now they need even more money:
""We have a budget of 3 million dollars. We've only spent 2 million. We have to spend the other $1 million on something or we won't get the budget that we ask for next year."
That's what's been happening, and people sit there saying, "Oh, that's perfectly acceptable. Continue to rob me blind, I mean, we just can't get along in society unless we spend, spend, spend."
It's like people forget that government is not some entity that rules us, it is to be made up of people, just like you and me, to serve us....WE DO NOT SERVE THE GOVERNMENT.
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