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View Poll Results: Who does the money you have legally earned belong to?
The society 3 2.22%
The government 10 7.41%
You 117 86.67%
I don’t know. 5 3.70%
Voters: 135. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-27-2019, 01:06 PM
 
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Originally Posted by biggunsmallbrains View Post
Lol. Doesn’t the government have legal authority to tax? Sounds like to OP is trying to con the Cons.
The govt gave itself permission to take our money. Convenient huh?
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Old 01-27-2019, 01:06 PM
 
Location: Florida
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The money is yours. What you are 'billed' for are the services you receive .
Any debts you incurred, like a mortgage or internet access, are strictly voluntary. Don't assume one and that money is still yours

Whether or not you feel like you've being overbilled/over charged via taxes, although not a simple thing, you have the right to protest and make changes by making sure you vote for people that represent you.....or run for office yourself.
Pooled money, as our taxes are, is like insurance. It pays for some things some people want and some thing they don't but if left to do it on your own probably would cost you more or be totally unobtainable to the average citizen
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Old 01-27-2019, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Virginia
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Originally Posted by Gungnir View Post
Income taxes sure

Monaco (you've heard of it, on the Cote D'Azure, does have sales tax)
Caymans (no tax across the board)
Bermuda (no tax, but some property taxes)
Bahamas (sales tax)
Anguilla (no tax across the board)
St Kitts and Nevis (no tax across the board)
Sark (may be a property tax, not sure off the top of my head)
Oman (Corp tax)
Bahrain (sales tax)
Qatar (Corp tax)
Kuwait (no tax across the board)
Brunei (Corp tax)
UAE (sales tax)
British Virgin Islands (no tax across the board)
Saudi (if you're not Saudi, but living and working there)

So that's 5 modern societies, unless you're looking at Portugal as not being a modern society, because the Caymans, Brunei, BVI, Oman, Bahrain, Kuwait have higher UNHDI than Portugal. Indeed the Caymans, Bermuda and BVI have higher UNHDI than Norway (but are not represented in the UN).
Right, so, in other words, unless you are a small vacation resort or an oil rich monarchy, you need taxes. You can debate the merits of income versus sales taxes, but every modern government needs taxes.

If you do happen to be a small vacation resort, then of course you can just tax tourism. And if you are a state-run oil rich monarchy, then the state owns the oil and is good to go. Presumably everyone knows these aren't reasonable options for the US right?
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Old 01-27-2019, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Virginia
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Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest View Post
The govt gave itself permission to take our money. Convenient huh?
Yeah, it's almost like they are following Article I Section 8 of the US Constitution to the letter, weird.
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Old 01-27-2019, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Simple question.
Everything I earned is mine.

I don't know about any "legalities" because I've never signed any contracts agreeing to any laws.
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Old 01-27-2019, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Virginia
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Everything I earned is mine.

I don't know about any "legalities" because I've never signed any contracts agreeing to any laws.
Are you under the impression that laws only apply to people who have signed up for them in a contract?

Hate to burst your bubble, but.....
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Old 01-27-2019, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Are you under the impression that laws only apply to people who have signed up for them in a contract?

Hate to burst your bubble, but.....
Yes, of course I do. I'm not into mysticism. If you are, that's your choice. Just leave me out of it.
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Old 01-27-2019, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Yeah, it's almost like they are following Article I Section 8 of the US Constitution to the letter, weird.
I never signed that.

Wasn't born until nearly 200 years later and don't own a DeLorean to go back in time sooooooo
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Old 01-27-2019, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Virginia
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I never signed that.

Wasn't born until nearly 200 years later and don't own a DeLorean to go back in time sooooooo
You have a very interesting take on living in a modern society.

Luckily for all of us (including you), that isn't how it works. It's a special kind of irony when someones existence and prosperity depends on the very thing they go through life bitterly opposed to.
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Old 01-27-2019, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Billings, MT
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The money I earned belonged to:
Me, first.
Then, the government (income tax[state and federal], FICA, Medicare, excise taxes, etc.)

Then, the bank (home mortgage).
then to the Credit Union (vehicle loans)
then to insurance companies (mandatory vehicle insurance, health insurance, life insurance, Home owner's insurance, etc.)


Oh, wait, come to think of it, the actual order would be me last, the other four first!


Now that I am retired, my Social Security and Military Retirement (DFAS) belongs to:
The government (taxes, Medicare, Tricare, Survivor Benefit Plan, real estate taxes, etc.)
the bank (Home Mortgage)
The insurance companies (home insurance, vehicle insurance, both are mandatory)
the credit union (vehicle payments)
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