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Old 01-31-2019, 08:47 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Already posted a dozen times in this topic. Go back and look at my past posts. I'm not looking it up for you as rebuttal to the argument that since you haven't seen it, it can't be true.



Here's another question. Why are you hoping and searching for the worst?
Hasn't Foxconn been scaling back promises for 10 months? It's not like this was a completely sudden, unexpected about face. They went from a fully-blown manufacturing plant that was going to build TV screens to a smaller plant with fewer manufacturing jobs that was going to build tablet screens to no plant with no manufacturing jobs at all.

Here's a company with a long record of broken promises and you'd believe them because....?

Besides, Foxconn is a Taiwanese company. What incentive do they have to create jobs in the USA? They're even scrapping plans for expansion in China.

https://techcrunch.com/2019/01/31/fo...nd-9b-factory/

And their "high labor costs" excuse is such a ridiculously transparent lie as if it was some secret that you have to pay American workers more than $3 per day.
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Old 01-31-2019, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Oh, and there is more!

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Taxpayers could pay Taiwanese tech giant Foxconn for work done outside of Wisconsin unless changes are made to how the state's jobs agency issues tax credits, a state audit shows.
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Under its deal with Foxconn, Wisconsin would pay more than $200,000 in state taxpayer money per job created. The audit for the first time raises the prospect that some of the jobs might not be in Wisconsin, under existing WEDC procedures.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/...in/2367901002/
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Old 01-31-2019, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Meaningless, and they are probably attempting to appease a president who harshly attacks people who he has perceived have 'crossed' him.

They are building a facility for upscale better-paying white collar jobs, and not blue, as promised to Trump.

They can remain 'committed' to building an advanced manufacturing for the next 5 years, and still not do it.

They explained that they are not building the manufacturing facility, because it is not needed, as there is already an overcrowded tv screen market in the country. They aren't going to waste their time and money just to make Trump happy.

Globalism has ironically, foiled Trump.

"...Now, those plans may be scaled back or even shelved, Louis Woo, special assistant to Foxconn Chief Executive Terry Gou, told Reuters. He said the company was still evaluating options for Wisconsin, but cited the steep cost of making advanced TV screens in the United States, where labor expenses are comparatively high..."
yep liberal/socialist globalism is killing America
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Old 01-31-2019, 09:36 AM
 
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both bush's were quite liberal, and expanded government
By that measure Obama is only non-liberal of recent years......in a relative sense, I think he didn't "grow" the government against population, inflation, etc.

You see, conservatives dislike things...until they like them. Whether or not they like them has to do with the "naming convention" of the POTUS. The VAST majority of conservatives cheered at the wars. Not only did they cheer, but they "put down" those of us who didn't. Look back at the threads with conservatives attacking anti-war folks...including MOTHERS who lost their children for the neo-con ways.

Conservatives - assuming they stood for anything - would have hated Trump for every single one of his positions. Someone who uses LAWYERS to get their way? Check...(conservatives want tort reform and no responsibility)......Someone who is a NYC limo liberal? Check. Someone who called for a 15% extra tax on the wealthy (in 1999) to help pay down the debt? Check...they dislike that.

But did "conservatives" like it when Bush and Trump both sent them "checks" from debt and deficit? Yep, they loved it.

I think we need to stop using the word conservative since it has absolutely no meaning. Same deal with liberal, although "liberalism" does have a history of 100's of years in actual definition.

Conservatism does not - unless we want to say that the people who supported the continuation of Slavery were conservatives (they were named that at the time...).

A lot of our problems in national dialog can probably be blamed on the misuse or "dittos" with that word - conservative. It means absolutely nothing at this point.

There is a scale a Right Wing and Left wing that often can be defined by things like empathy, tolerance, equality and such. But there really is, IMHO, nothing to define conservatism that would be in the political sphere in the USA.
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Old 01-31-2019, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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By that measure Obama is only non-liberal of recent years......in a relative sense, I think he didn't "grow" the government against population, inflation, etc.

You see, conservatives dislike things...until they like them. Whether or not they like them has to do with the "naming convention" of the POTUS. The VAST majority of conservatives cheered at the wars. Not only did they cheer, but they "put down" those of us who didn't. Look back at the threads with conservatives attacking anti-war folks...including MOTHERS who lost their children for the neo-con ways.

Conservatives - assuming they stood for anything - would have hated Trump for every single one of his positions. Someone who uses LAWYERS to get their way? Check...(conservatives want tort reform and no responsibility)......Someone who is a NYC limo liberal? Check. Someone who called for a 15% extra tax on the wealthy (in 1999) to help pay down the debt? Check...they dislike that.

But did "conservatives" like it when Bush and Trump both sent them "checks" from debt and deficit? Yep, they loved it.

I think we need to stop using the word conservative since it has absolutely no meaning. Same deal with liberal, although "liberalism" does have a history of 100's of years in actual definition.

Conservatism does not - unless we want to say that the people who supported the continuation of Slavery were conservatives (they were named that at the time...).

A lot of our problems in national dialog can probably be blamed on the misuse or "dittos" with that word - conservative. It means absolutely nothing at this point.

There is a scale a Right Wing and Left wing that often can be defined by things like empathy, tolerance, equality and such. But there really is, IMHO, nothing to define conservatism that would be in the political sphere in the USA.


huh??


I couldn't stand either bush, nor Clinton, nor Obama..all liberals, and I don't like trump either, as he is a life long new York liberal


Bill Clinton was/is a liberal...but he is smart, and was willing to work with the opposition
Hitlery is much farther left, and not willing to work with the opposition
Obama, far left liberal, but smart enough to understand to move to the left it has to be in baby steps..not smart enough to work with the opposition
trump a life ling new York liberal..not extreme left, but still leftist, who conned his way into the republican nominee




what I would like to see from the democrats...a Truman democrat
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Old 01-31-2019, 09:44 AM
 
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the art of the deal....
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Old 01-31-2019, 09:50 AM
 
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Manufacturing jobs have been on the rise since late 2009. Apparently there is an epidemic of blindness.

So Obama lied. Again !!!
He is the one that said manufacturing jobs lost weren't coming back.

Blubbering about the magic wand and other nonsense.
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Old 01-31-2019, 09:52 AM
 
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the art of the deal....

Indeed. Let's review the actual facts.

  • Foxconn committed to bringing 13,000 very high paying jobs to the USA. Jobs the hapless community agitator said were lost for good.
  • Foxconn doesn't get tax rebates if they don't do it. But they have already spent $200M project.
  • MSM & NPCs are still running around in circles because they absolutely hate it. Start topic after topic "Orange Man Bad" LAWL
  • Voters in Wisconsin will hand Trump another win in 2020.
Trump is still winning!


MAGA!
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Old 01-31-2019, 09:53 AM
 
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I posted this on the other FoxConn thread, but it is relevant here also. The Economist has a rather scathing take on the Wisconsin plan from Foxconn

https://www.economist.com/united-sta...ides-democrats

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The Foxconn deal looks financially nonsensical. Mr Walker (pressed by Mr Trump) pledged an immense pile of taxpayers’ money for a foreign firm. Tim Bartik, an economist at the Upjohn Institute for Employment Research in Michigan, estimates that state governments typically offer big investors subsidies worth 3% of wages over 20 years. In luring Amazon last year, New York offered 6%; Virginia, just 1%, for example. Foxconn’s deal in Wisconsin, he says, is worth 30%, ten times the average.

Wisconsin has pledged almost $4.5bn to Foxconn, a sum Mr Bartik says is impossible to rationalise. “In 20 years people will point to this as an example of what not to do,” he says. As Wisconsin barely taxes manufacturers, the help will come as relief on sales tax, free provision of land, and direct payments. The effect will be to divert about $350m annually from the state budget for many years to come. Mr Evers has promised no tax rises, so spending, such as on education or health, may have to drop.

Worse, Foxconn, which is struggling with weak global sales of smartphones, is backing off its first bold promises. It will not make those big LCD televisions after all. Its local supply chain can shrink, doing without glassmakers. Instead goods will be shipped in and assembled. No one is yet sure what will be made; perhaps small screens for phones.

To lower costs, robots will do many tasks, so fewer low-skilled folk from nearby Racine will be needed than expected. Locals are also short on the necessary skills. Mark Muro, at Brookings, a think-tank, has analysed automation and the availability of workers. He says the Racine area is exceptionally short of engineering, computing or maths skills. Instead, the firm will look far and wide for engineers and developers. Foxconn rejects reports that engineers will come from China, but a person well informed about the deal says “a few hundred” Chinese workers already in America may have to move to Wisconsin.
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Old 01-31-2019, 09:55 AM
 
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... The Economist has a rather scathing take on the Wisconsin plan from Foxconn
Of course they do. They hate Trump's trade policy. They are a rag for the globalists.

They miss the obvious fact. Foxconn doesn't get any money if the don't create the jobs.
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