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Old 02-06-2019, 09:15 AM
 
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I guess you're fine with the government pushing a religion too. It's called atheism. So what's the difference between you and me?
Can you name one law that forces atheism on you? Don't mention abortion, because the majority of people in this country are pro-choice, and no one is forcing you to have an abortion. Don't bring up school prayer, because no one has ever been prevented from praying in a school.

There have been a few cases of people being forced to violate their religious beliefs, and for the most part the Supreme Court has sided with the religious.

 
Old 02-06-2019, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Immoral laws harm all of society. Look at slavery. That evil affected more than just those who committed the act or were victims of it. 150 years later, America is still paying a steep price for it. Look at the strife America has to now endure because of it, particularly from those who want to prolong it as an issue.
Slavery was a-ok with the God of the bible.
 
Old 02-06-2019, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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OK, so your contention is government exists for power and nothing else. So perhaps you have a thought as to why it serves power to promote an atheist agenda. Are you saying Christianity would compete with that power? Are you saying the natural and ultimate order of things is an atheist government, aka Marxism?
"There are no morals in politics; there is only expedience. A scoundrel may be of use to us just because he is a scoundrel." - Vladimir Lenin

https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/v...r_lenin_135580


Government isn't promoting an atheist agenda. Government is just amoral. Its only agenda is power.

Secular doesn't mean against religion. It just means unbounded by religion. A secular-government has no rules, no moral code, no identity, no nothing.

If religion opposes its interests, then it opposes religion. If religion serves its interests, it embraces religion. And that is true in every country, and throughout history.


Think of the Thomas Jefferson quote, "In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own."


What does that quote mean? Atheists believe it is a criticism of religion, but it isn't.


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Old 02-06-2019, 09:16 AM
 
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Can you imagine a county where single adults were virgins and married ones only had sex to procreate? We'd all be as angry as the OP!
 
Old 02-06-2019, 09:17 AM
 
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This might sound radical, or even unconstitutional, but it's not. It would not be a violation of the First Amendment which permits free practice of any religion.

Right now, the federal and state governments are ALREADY pushing one religion, and that is atheism. Atheism was ruled to be an official religion, "entitled to the same legal protections of other established religions" in the 2005 Supreme Court Case Kaufman v. McCaughtry.

We have seen the promotion of atheist values as abortion on demand up until birth regardless of it's health, of forcing businesses under threat of imprisonment to participate in gay weddings, and of forcing Catholics to purchase birth control for others, or face prosecution. New Jersey now requires LGBTQ history be taught in every school. The federal government gives half a billion dollars every year to the Planned Parenthood abortion mills. Every one of these policies pushes the atheist agenda and violates Christian teaching as well as common decency.

For folks who squawk about separation of church and state, time has proven this is impossible. There is no such thing as an absence of religion in a vacuum. It is not possible to separate laws from one religious value or another. Inevitably atheism becomes the de facto alternative fill-in. And atheism, as we have shown IS a religion with its own pro-active agenda.

There is only one way to solve this dilemma. Protect the moral and decent. Get rid of the immoral, the perverse, and the hideous. Protect the view that our country was founded on, the view held by most Americans and, really, every moral person: the views of Christianity. If promoting one religion is unavoidable, let's at least promote the right one. Let's do it now.
Um, let's not.
 
Old 02-06-2019, 09:18 AM
 
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Seeing who the OP is i'm not surprised at this discussion, as to the posted question Hell No there are already enough countries with a state religion move to one of them...
 
Old 02-06-2019, 09:18 AM
 
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I guess you're fine with the government pushing a religion too. It's called atheism. So what's the difference between you and me?
The government isn't pushing atheism, lol. Bless your heart.
 
Old 02-06-2019, 09:22 AM
 
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It is being forced on all of us, because we all have to deal with the fallout and consequences of abortion. Immoral acts are not done in a vacuum or affect only the offender. They harm all of society. That's the thing so few people seem to realize.
I'll tell you what harms society and everybody in it. Not taking care of the poor and children who need food and healthcare. And what you call immoral others may not call immoral. It's all a matter of perspective. If you don't want an abortion, don't get one. If you don't want to marry someone of the same sex, don't. If you don't believe in sex before marriage, fine. Be a virgin. It's really that simple.

You may as well relax. The Constitution does not allow for a theocracy like you are calling for. And all your bitching and moaning ain't gonna change that. Thank goodness.
 
Old 02-06-2019, 09:23 AM
 
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Immoral laws harm all of society. Look at slavery. That evil affected more than just those who committed the act or were victims of it. 150 years later, America is still paying a steep price for it. Look at the strife America has to now endure because of it, particularly from those who want to prolong it as an issue.
Yes, slavery was an evil that harmed all of society. It was eliminated, but not because of religion. Christians used the Bible to justify slavery just as much as to abolish it. It was eliminated based on recognition of basic human rights. I've always said that if pro-life forces want to be successful they should frame abortion as a human rights issue. As long as they insist on making it an issue of religion, they will never succeed in this secular nation.
 
Old 02-06-2019, 09:23 AM
 
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So why isn't it equally scary to you to have immoral atheist laws push on to you?
Who's pushing laws on you? Seriously, what is it out there that scares you so much that you think the government is going to "make" you do? I really don't understand.
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