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Completely different animal from the colonial slavery of today. The slavery of the bible wouldn't be called that today. It would be calling 'having a job to pay your bills'
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Originally Posted by Cheesemont
Completely different animal from the colonial slavery of today. The slavery of the bible wouldn't be called that today. It would be calling 'having a job to pay your bills'
It's like when jeffbase says rape was okay back then because the women would die without the men... Sad what some people have to say to keep their silly beliefs.
This might sound radical, or even unconstitutional, but it's not. It would not be a violation of the First Amendment which permits free practice of any religion.
Right now, the federal and state governments are ALREADY pushing one religion, and that is atheism. Atheism was ruled to be an official religion, "entitled to the same legal protections of other established religions" in the 2005 Supreme Court Case Kaufman v. McCaughtry.
We have seen the promotion of atheist values as abortion on demand up until birth regardless of it's health, of forcing businesses under threat of imprisonment to participate in gay weddings, and of forcing Catholics to purchase birth control for others, or face prosecution. New Jersey now requires LGBTQ history be taught in every school. The federal government gives half a billion dollars every year to the Planned Parenthood abortion mills. Every one of these policies pushes the atheist agenda and violates Christian teaching as well as common decency.
For folks who squawk about separation of church and state, time has proven this is impossible. There is no such thing as an absence of religion in a vacuum. It is not possible to separate laws from one religious value or another. Inevitably atheism becomes the de facto alternative fill-in. And atheism, as we have shown IS a religion with its own pro-active agenda.
There is only one way to solve this dilemma. Protect the moral and decent. Get rid of the immoral, the perverse, and the hideous. Protect the view that our country was founded on, the view held by most Americans and, really, every moral person: the views of Christianity. If promoting one religion is unavoidable, let's at least promote the right one. Let's do it now.
Government isn't promoting an atheist agenda. Government is just amoral. Its only agenda is power.
Secular doesn't mean against religion. It just means unbounded by religion. A secular-government has no rules, no moral code, no identity, no nothing.
If religion opposes its interests, then it opposes religion. If religion serves its interests, it embraces religion. And that is true in every country, and throughout history.
Think of the Thomas Jefferson quote, "In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own."
What does that quote mean? Atheists believe it is a criticism of religion, but it isn't.
Your statement was not about a secular government, it was "Secularism has no values, no beliefs, no identity, no ideology, no doctrine, no morals." Implying only those religious in nature have "values, beliefs, identity, ideology, doctrine, morals , or anything else" which is nonsense! There's NO reason to belief those who don't practice a religion have no values, beliefs, morals, et al.
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Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge
The values in a secular government are what the people who make up that society value. To say that a secular government has no values is a semantics game. Governments are made up of people. And people have values, and the governments run by people make laws that reflect the values of those people.
My original quote was, "Secularism has no values, no beliefs, no identity, no ideology, no doctrine, no morals. It is infinitely-malleable."
Maybe what I should have said is, "Secularism has no intrinsic values. Whatever values it proclaims to have are arbitrary and ever-changing."
This ability to change its values is important for a large and diverse population, in an even larger and diverse world. Secularism is completely unchained, and its authority is unlimited.
This is a really good video. But the part of the video I wish you would watch is from about 3:15 to about 5:05...
The problem with the secular-ethic, is that its philosophical-foundation is "The greatest good for the greatest number". But this isn't an ethic at all.
What it actually means in practice is, sacrifice the few for the good of the many, and the end justifies the means.
So your statement "Atheism doesn't have any values" was just nonsense?
Nope, my values don't stem from my lack of belief in gods.
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