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Old 02-12-2019, 09:23 PM
 
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Why should any of us have to pay for any of it? All taxation is theft.
No, it's not. When James Otis said, "Taxation without representation is tyranny", he was really referring to taxation without consent. In a properly structured society, taxation will exist, but it will be consensual.
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Old 02-13-2019, 02:56 AM
 
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If Democrats continue to demonstrate an increasing tolerance for antisemitism while (correctly) hitting back hard against bigotry toward other minorities, you might have a difficult decision at some point.
Historically, for whatever reason the Jews are the only people upon whom "open season" has been OK with "leaders." We're 1.9% of the population and yet we're accused of running Congress and the media.

Go figure.
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Old 02-13-2019, 05:49 AM
 
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She was critical of every member of Congress who supports Israel. Basically, she claimed all who support Israel do so because of payoffs from AIPAC, and by extension any organization that acts on Israel's behalf with Congress. Though you and others might agree with that, the implication that nobody can have reasons to support Israel other than being bribed is Not truth to power.
Even worse....AIPAC is synonymous with Jews, and she is saying that the Jews are controlling the government - via money. It plays into the worst conspiracy theory in the book.
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Old 02-13-2019, 06:05 AM
 
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Historically, for whatever reason the Jews are the only people upon whom "open season" has been OK with "leaders." We're 1.9% of the population and yet we're accused of running Congress and the media.

Go figure.
Here's my theory:

It's not so much that Democrats pride themselves on defending minorities against bigotry, it's that they defend the downtrodden - insisting that it is entirely society's fault, and the prejudice against them, that has led them to be poorer, less-educated, and so forth.

Jews bely that belief. Here we are, after millenia of persecution, attempted extermination, expulsions, etc., and still, against all odds, we have higher-than-average educations and, related to that, higher incomes. It reveals a truth that Democrats don't want to admit: that personal choices and values DO have something to do with success, and that you can't blame someone else entirely for problems.

Thus, many "lefties" are actually resentful of Jews. IOW, now DARE they succeed and demonstrate that it is not prejudice, and prejudice alone, that explains a group's lower level of success. That's why you see this Oppression Olympics going on and why the worst of the worst actually deny the Holocaust occurred.
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Old 02-13-2019, 07:51 AM
 
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Are you sure?
Are you and Omar sure the reason members of Congress support Israel is AIPAC ? Of course Not. Because neither of you accept any reason for supporting Israel, you resort to AIPAC. Unless you or Omar can show that all members of Congress who receive AIPAC $$$ always cast pro-Israel votes and those who don't receive such $$$ never vote as AIPAC wants, you're spouting garbage.


How about members of the public who are pro-Israel ? Do they all receive bribes for their support, or maybe they're Israel Firsters or been brainwashed by the Jewish media ?
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Old 02-13-2019, 08:02 AM
 
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Are you and Omar sure the reason members of Congress support Israel is AIPAC ? Of course Not. Because neither of you accept any reason for supporting Israel, you resort to AIPAC. Unless you or Omar can show that all members of Congress who receive AIPAC $$$ always cast pro-Israel votes and those who don't receive such $$$ never vote as AIPAC wants, you're spouting garbage.


How about members of the public who are pro-Israel ? Do they all receive bribes for their support, or maybe they're Israel Firsters or been brainwashed by the Jewish media ?
That doesn't need to be shown. Everyone with common sense can see how wealthy Jewish contributors are tilting the scale for Israel. Not every member of Congress etc but most of them. And it's not just AIPAC, which is really just the tip of the iceberg, but even individual wealthy donators like Adelson who pressured Trump to move the embassy.
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Old 02-13-2019, 08:33 AM
 
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If Democrats continue to demonstrate an increasing tolerance for antisemitism while (correctly) hitting back hard against bigotry toward other minorities, you might have a difficult decision at some point.
Making the decision even more difficult is that I am a left-wing extremist. My living room is carpeted with pictures of Madura, Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez, Fidel and Raoul Castro and Kim.

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Even worse....AIPAC is synonymous with Jews, and she is saying that the Jews are controlling the government - via money. It plays into the worst conspiracy theory in the book.
Actually AIPAC has a growing number of non-Jewish members.
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Old 02-13-2019, 08:41 AM
 
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That doesn't need to be shown. Everyone with common sense can see how wealthy Jewish contributors are tilting the scale for Israel. Not every member of Congress etc but most of them. And it's not just AIPAC, which is really just the tip of the iceberg, but even individual wealthy donators like Adelson who pressured Trump to move the embassy.
I guess people just love anti-Jewish tropes. Do you read Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion for your bedtime reading? How about the fact that Arabs and Radical Muslims have been at the center of just about every atrocity in recent history, from September 11 to a recent attack on a Nairobi, Kenya hotel, see American among at least 15 dead in Kenya hotel terror attack. The forces opposing Israel have nothing in common with the West or civilization. The wonder is that it took until Donald Trump's presidency for the U.S. to end the "even-handed" policy. While Israel is not perfect, it's lot better than its opponents.
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Old 02-13-2019, 08:49 AM
 
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Newflash, one can call out Israel’s policies and not be considered anti Semitic. And for all if the members of Congress who didn’t condemn trump for his countless racist remarks they can have several seats.
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Old 02-13-2019, 08:54 AM
 
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I guess people just love anti-Jewish tropes. Do you read Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion for your bedtime reading? How about the fact that Arabs and Radical Muslims have been at the center of just about every atrocity in recent history, from September 11 to a recent attack on a Nairobi, Kenya hotel, see American among at least 15 dead in Kenya hotel terror attack. The forces opposing Israel have nothing in common with the West or civilization. The wonder is that it took until Donald Trump's presidency for the U.S. to end the "even-handed" policy. While Israel is not perfect, it's lot better than its opponents.
Most of what you said is garbage so I'm just going to ignore it as it's just a veiled personal attack.

Fact or myth: Did Adelson donate millions of dollars to Trump then demand him at every dinner meeting to move that embassy to Jerusalem
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