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Old 02-15-2019, 04:08 AM
 
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It's the Economy, stupid.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/14/most...next-year.html

More people are feeling optimistic about their own finances, according to Gallup.

In a recent poll, nearly 7 out of 10 participants said they expected to be "better off" financially by this time next year. The company surveyed 1,017 U.S. adults by phone in January.

This level of optimism hasn't been seen in 16 years, according to Gallup. Half of respondents say they are in better financial shape than a year ago.


It is unfortunate that it appears an issue so straightforward can still be divided by partisanship (you're either better off or your not...they are simply numbers). And although I agree that the new tax plan was harsh to the Upper Middle Class and above (as per Pew, the Middle Class is defined by income as between $40,500 and $122k), those solidly in the midrange of these numbers will clearly do better). It's rare that the government puts more money in people's pocketbooks, but that's exactly what this plan did. Not to mention, unemployment levels are down across the board.

As much as the naysayers want to scream, not everything is as bad as they claim.
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Old 02-15-2019, 04:22 AM
 
Location: Willamette Valley, Oregon
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It's not the economy stupid. What's trumps approval rating? How can someone who is so universally disliked, except for his 35% base be re-elected? The Dems have to put out a viable candidate, but they are out there. I just don't see it happening.
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Old 02-15-2019, 04:27 AM
 
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If "It's the economy, stupid" then the Republican Party wouldn't have lost control of the US House of Representatives.

Bill Clinton was the originator of the quote, but he was referring to the time of his first presidential campaign, 1992 right after a mild recession, when people were still feeling anxious about their economic situations. Bush I's people knew that the economy was getting better and that no exceptional government action was required, but Clinton realized that his campaign should focus on people's lingering economic fears and present Clinton as a person not only aware of their situation (e.g. "I feel your pain", but promising pro-active means to address their fears.

IMO, it's more accurate to say "It's the economy, stupid...but only when people are running scared of the economy". That's why the Clinton quote doesn't apply to the possible re-election of President Trump. Trump's in a no-win situation on the economy - he's trying to take credit for an economy that's been getting better for 10 years, but if that economy sputters, then it will be perceived as Trump's fault if it goes sideways.
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Old 02-15-2019, 04:45 AM
 
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It's the Economy, stupid.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/14/most...next-year.html

More people are feeling optimistic about their own finances, according to Gallup.

In a recent poll, nearly 7 out of 10 participants said they expected to be "better off" financially by this time next year. The company surveyed 1,017 U.S. adults by phone in January.

This level of optimism hasn't been seen in 16 years, according to Gallup. Half of respondents say they are in better financial shape than a year ago.


It is unfortunate that it appears an issue so straightforward can still be divided by partisanship (you're either better off or your not...they are simply numbers). And although I agree that the new tax plan was harsh to the Upper Middle Class and above (as per Pew, the Middle Class is defined by income as between $40,500 and $122k), those solidly in the midrange of these numbers will clearly do better). It's rare that the government puts more money in people's pocketbooks, but that's exactly what this plan did. Not to mention, unemployment levels are down across the board.

As much as the naysayers want to scream, not everything is as bad as they claim.
You are right about one thing - most voters here in the USA are stupid enough to correlate a good/bad economy with the President that happens to be in office at the time.

In reality, our economy chugs along and swerve into and out of the ditch regardless of which party happens to be in the Administration. Some temporary glitches in the stock market may be knee-jerk reactions to something a President does; but in general business continues IN SPITE of our petty political meanderings.

Only fools try to make a case that Trump is responsible for our current economy, the same fools that argued that Bush or Obama had any effect on the economy and business overall. These arguments are simply a political expedience.
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Old 02-15-2019, 05:54 AM
 
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The economy is good but the media is so intensely anti-Trump that the average person has no idea.
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Old 02-15-2019, 05:58 AM
 
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We are regularly treated to a new thread on how Trump is the greatest and will be reelected with no problem.

Now we all know this is a lie.

If it was true, there would be no reason for the constant posts.
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Old 02-15-2019, 06:02 AM
 
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The economy is good but the media is so intensely anti-Trump that the average person has no idea.
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The average person has a good idea that that your guy is a con man, a crook, and likely a traitor.

His campaign manager is in prison and his attorney is headed there, nearly everybody but his coffee boy is involved in some sort of illegal behavior, and he keeps insisting he can't be indicted while he's President, ... so, I'm pretty sure even he knows.

Republicans are even starting to wake up.

Will wonders never cease?
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Old 02-15-2019, 06:09 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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The Dems will nominate someone even worse than Hillary.
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Old 02-15-2019, 06:14 AM
 
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The economy has been the same tepid economy since before Trump was elected. Trump only contribution is cutting taxes during growth (dumb) and acting like we’re all on a TV show
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Old 02-15-2019, 06:18 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Based on right now, AOC guarantees Trump will win “ bigly” in 2020.
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