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Old 02-26-2019, 08:37 PM
 
Location: London
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Where is the country going to find free healthcare? Last I checked, hospitals aren't free, and doctors expect to be paid.
...are you actually under the impression that doctors in other developed countries don't get paid?
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Old 02-26-2019, 08:42 PM
 
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Governments are supposed to take care of the people. We vote in the people who will do the most for us and for the country as a whole. There's nothing wrong with a section of the government overseeing healthcare. We vote for them. It's nothing like the VA it's the government we elect and they can control the insurance companies and the high costs. Not too many people can afford to go it alone.
Since when?
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Old 02-26-2019, 08:43 PM
 
Location: London
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Why?
Because that's what civilized nations do, rather than having sick people dying on the streets (and possibly spreading it to others).

Do you complain about the existence of public schooling or national parks?
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Old 02-26-2019, 08:45 PM
 
Location: Sunshine Coast, QLD
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Why?
Why not?
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Old 02-27-2019, 03:52 AM
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Location: Great Britain
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I have lived in the UK and in Italy. I have been in Hospitals in both those nations.

Think of it this way, for a minute. I served on Active Duty for 20 years. If you get your leg blown off, the HM Corpsmen/Medics are great for staunching the blood flow and stitching up the wound. But, wouldn't it be better to have access to a MD doctor who might be able to save your leg?

Young kids [18 to 24 years old] are full of energy and they think they are bullet-proof. Hoo-Rah a gnarly set of scars and they are good to go.

But as I approach 60, I have prostate cancer. An HM Corpsman/Medic can not do anything for cancer, the best they can do is to give you Motrin. I need a MD doctor. It is a huge difference.
I am not sure what you re trying to say, however both the UK and Italy have specialist hospitals that treat cancer and you do see a consultant very quickly in such circumstances.

In terms of the US military if you are stationed in Europe, then generally there are US Military Clinics, and a vast US Military Hospital in Germany and if you have a serious condition you will be flown back to the US.

The UK Military has lots of facilities at the Royal Centre for Defence Medicine at the Queen Elizabeth Hospital Birmingham, which has some of the best facilities in Europe. The UK Military is also embeded in hospitals near garrison towns and naval ports, mental heath facilities and a vast new state of the art rehabilitation centre.
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Old 02-27-2019, 04:24 AM
 
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Since when?
Since they take our tax dollars.

I’m not against paying taxes. My issue is what do I get for my tax dollars. The answer really isn’t much.

The country can afford healthcare for all. The issue is the government has grown too accustomed to wasting our dollars. It’s time to end the cronyism spending and actually hold politicians accountable for how they spend the money. I know.... that’s a lot for people to do...
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Old 02-27-2019, 07:03 AM
 
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I have long advocated for premiums being based on waist size. Those with measures in the so called generous healthy range would pay less than those with measures greater than healthy. It’s not any different than charging smokers higher premiums.

This could be applied across the board, public and private insurance, including Medicare.
Uh huh...that's called "actuarial analysis of risk" and prior to the ACA, it's how insurance companies calculated the premium rate each and every individual would pay such that the individual could mitigate risk while the insurer (risk mitigation pool) could remain solvent and even profitable.

Weirdly, this is exactly how every other form of insurance does work. Then again, no other form of insurance had mathematical logic legislated right out of the industry like health insurance did.
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Old 02-27-2019, 07:12 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I have lived in the UK and in Italy. I have been in Hospitals in both those nations.
Your claim was that their hospitals provide for care&comfort only, which is simply not true.
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Old 02-27-2019, 07:13 AM
 
Location: Florida
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No. Governemnt does not belong in healthcare.
Yes, but they can fund it.
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Old 02-27-2019, 07:24 AM
 
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No.

Governemnt does not belong in healthcare.
Yeah, that's why if there ever were a biological attack, we'd all rush to Walgreens for our anthrax vaccinations.
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