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Old 01-29-2020, 05:17 PM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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Dershowitz argued that since Trump believes his re-election is in the public interest, the Ukraine business is not impeachable.

Is this a ho ax?

https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/...09329448046592
Dershowitz making it up as he goes along.

 
Old 01-29-2020, 11:16 PM
 
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I think Dershowitz must have been in some of those pictures in Epstein’s safe...
 
Old 01-30-2020, 05:07 AM
 
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Trump's story has changed over time.

On Saturday, Trump's attorneys opened their arguments by declaring that no witness heard Trump say that the release of military aid was based on the condition that Ukraine supported Putin's propaganda and announces investigations into Biden.

On Sunday, former NSA Bolton announced he heard Trump say just that. Yikes!

Trump tweeted that he “NEVER told John Bolton that the aid to Ukraine was tied to investigations into Democrats, including the Bidens.”

"Fox News began frantically suggesting that Bolton, of all people, was a secret agent of the left-wing “deep state.”

On Monday, Trump’s lawyers resumed their defense in the Senate impeachment trial by arguing that there was no evidence of a quid pro quo in the “House record,” as if no one had heard about Bolton's account, which was on every newscast, news website, and newspaper.

On Wednesday, Dershowitz announced that a President can only be impeached only if he acts solely from “corrupt motives,” so if Trump believes he is acting in the public interest, which he believes his reelection is, then he's good to go.*

If a Senate majority accepts this argument, it will provide the rationale Republicans need to conclude the trial, and acquit Trump without hearing Bolton's or any other witness testimony.*

It will also mark the surrender of the legislative branch to the executive, and the end of the U.S.'s constitutional balance of power system of government.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/alan-d...scism?ref=home

Trump's stories change so often, it's not easy to keep up, so who knows what today will bring.
 
Old 01-30-2020, 05:18 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GotHereQuickAsICould View Post
Trump's story has changed over time.

On Saturday, Trump's attorneys opened their arguments by declaring that no witness heard Trump say that the release of military aid was based on the condition that Ukraine supported Putin's propaganda and announces investigations into Biden.

On Sunday, former NSA Bolton announced he heard Trump say just that. Yikes!

Trump tweeted that he “NEVER told John Bolton that the aid to Ukraine was tied to investigations into Democrats, including the Bidens.”

"Fox News began frantically suggesting that Bolton, of all people, was a secret agent of the left-wing “deep state.”

On Monday, Trump’s lawyers resumed their defense in the Senate impeachment trial by arguing that there was no evidence of a quid pro quo in the “House record,” as if no one had heard about Bolton's account, which was on every newscast, news website, and newspaper.

On Wednesday, Dershowitz announced that a President can only be impeached only if he acts solely from “corrupt motives,” so if Trump believes he is acting in the public interest, which he believes his reelection is, then he's good to go.*

If a Senate majority accepts this argument, it will provide the rationale Republicans need to conclude the trial, and acquit Trump without hearing Bolton's or any other witness testimony.*

It will also mark the surrender of the legislative branch to the executive, and the end of the U.S.'s constitutional balance of power system of government.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/alan-d...scism?ref=home

Trump's stories change so often, it's not easy to keep up, so who knows what today will bring.
The GOP is now creating a way for all criminals to stay out of jail. For Trump's lawyer's there is no black glove in this one.
Trump is guilty and should be removed.
 
Old 01-30-2020, 06:21 AM
 
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The GOP is now creating a way for all criminals to stay out of jail. For Trump's lawyer's there is no black glove in this one.
Trump is guilty and should be removed.
This idea that if a politician, or anyone for that matter, gets a get out of jail free pass as long as she/he believes it is in the best interest of the public is outrageous.

Wonder what the odds are Republicans will back this?
 
Old 01-30-2020, 06:25 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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This idea that if a politician, or anyone for that matter, gets a get out of jail free pass as long as she/he believes it is in the best interest of the public is outrageous.

Wonder what the odds are Republicans will back this?
Trump and his issues are destroying the GOP.

If they follow that then watch the ads start flying.

What Trump's lawyers are saying is bigger Gov't done by 1 person is OK as long as that person thinks it's ok.
.
 
Old 01-30-2020, 06:28 AM
 
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The ads against MCSally are brutal for her support of Trump in Arizona.

Trump is the first president to be impeached in his first term. Well-deserved.
 
Old 01-30-2020, 06:58 AM
 
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Read Heather Cox Richardson blog this morning on how we got to this place in politics.

Leading up to the 1970 midterms, it became clear that Nixon needed a "Hail Mary" plan to rally voters around this beleaguered President.

So Pat Buchanan and Lee Atwater came up with a plan to lie and accuse Democrats of being lazy, dangerous, and anti-American.

This demonization of Democrats became standard Republican practice. By 1990, under Newt Gingrich's direction, documents were distributed to Republicans urging them to refer to Democrats as “corrupt,” “cheat” “disgrace,” “endanger,” “failure,” hypocrisy,” “intolerant,” “liberal,” “lie,” “pathetic,” “sick,” “steal,” “traitors,” “waste,” “welfare,” and—ironically, considering the Republicans current stand—“abuse of power.”

https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com

The insults and lies didn't spring up with Trump and Trump supporters. They've been the go-to moves of Republicans for the past fifty years.

The "swift boating" of Kerry, spreading lies that he was a cowards for patrolling the delta rescuing downed American pilots. Lies about Obama (read recently that a third of Republicans still believe he was born in Kenya). The lies about Clinton ordering assassinations and running pedophile rings out of nonexistent pizza parlor basements. ...

Insults and lies didn't start with Trump. He just made it socially acceptable for Republicans to do it openly.

Those who value truth, and the rule of law are appalled by what is happening on the floor of the Senate. Sekulow, Cipollone, and Dershowitz are openly lying on the floor of the Senate. Republicans are nodding in agreement.

Friday there will be a vote on whether to have witnesses and conduct an actual trial.

Or wrap this things up with an acquittal.

We've been headed here for five decades.
 
Old 01-30-2020, 08:35 AM
 
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Once again...Trump just making up lies. Why does he do this?

Do any of the Trump supporters care that the president just makes things up?


https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/...65248727011334
 
Old 01-30-2020, 08:41 AM
 
Location: Looking over your shoulder
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Once again...Trump just making up lies. Why does he do this?

Do any of the Trump supporters care that the president just makes things up?


https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/...65248727011334

As of 1/27/2020 16,240 lies, but who's counting?


Just remember he's the republicans president reflecting on THEM and who they are!
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